Looking to confirm this is an Eclipse (maybe W&Y too? or just high yellow?)

Boa'sUnlimited

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Hello, today I picked up two geckos, one sold as a snake eye eclipse (high yellow, according to the source) and the other a super snow. I know the super snow is what it is but I'm looking for confirmation on the Eclipse.

Here's the snake eye'd eclipse, possible white&yellow - let me know what you think:

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And finally, the super snow:
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Thanks!
 
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I missed the super snow last time! All super snows have solid black eyes and it is 100% unrelated to eclipse. Usually, but not always, you can tell if a Super snow is eclipse by a white nose, white feed and sometimes a really cool white splotch on their heads. Your super snow isn't showing any of those signs. Occasionally a super snow won't show any of those signs and still be eclipse but the only way you'd know if that was going on would be to test breed to a full eclipse that wasn't snow and see if all of the babies were eclipse.
 
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DrCarrotTail said:
I missed the super snow last time! All super snows have solid black eyes and it is 100% unrelated to eclipse. Usually, but not always, you can tell if a Super snow is eclipse by a white nose, white feed and sometimes a really cool white splotch on their heads. Your super snow isn't showing any of those signs. Occasionally a super snow won't show any of those signs and still be eclipse but the only way you'd know if that was going on would be to test breed to a full eclipse that wasn't snow and see if all of the babies were eclipse.
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That sounds like a good idea to me (the test breeding) - I'd love to find out if there's any Eclipse hiding in there. And thanks for all the tips/hints at ID'ing, it's a big help. Especially since I plan to breed by next season.

Also, maybe I should keep all of the babies and then breed them back to mom? Just to rule out any other surprise hets. Obviously if any albinos pop out, I'm kinda screwed because it would be difficult to tell what type, but other than that it should be easy to ID what comes out and shouldn't be there right? (that's regarding the Super Snow poss Eclipse test breeding to full Eclipse)
 
Kristi23

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I agree with everyone else. The top is an eclipse but doesn't look w/y. The bottom is a super snow, no eclipse.
 
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If you want to prove mom out I'd pair her to a visual albino male. If you don't know her background and need to prove all three strains out it tends to be tough to do with a girl since their normal breeding life is 3-5 seasons and they'll need to produce 20 babies with a visual male from each strain to prove them not het for that strain. Males are a lot easier to prove out since you can breed them to multiple females in a season and prove them out in only a season or two. Still pricey to raise 60+ pet quality babies though. I honestly don't see any eclipse in your super snow and its not usually a gene people are worried about proving out or not unless they're breeding for a very specific purpose.
 
Boa'sUnlimited

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DrCarrotTail said:
If you want to prove mom out I'd pair her to a visual albino male. If you don't know her background and need to prove all three strains out it tends to be tough to do with a girl since their normal breeding life is 3-5 seasons and they'll need to produce 20 babies with a visual male from each strain to prove them not het for that strain. Males are a lot easier to prove out since you can breed them to multiple females in a season and prove them out in only a season or two. Still pricey to raise 60+ pet quality babies though. I honestly don't see any eclipse in your super snow and its not usually a gene people are worried about proving out or not unless they're breeding for a very specific purpose.
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Sorry, I should have clarified more, and I made a mistake explaining things which caused some misinterpretation:

I meant breeding the SS to a female (Eclipse) that has no hets - keeping some babies, which if the SS is het for any albino, it'll be 50% in the babies right? then raise a few up (And send the rest to a buddy or 2 who keeps Leo's and wont mind holding onto them, until I can..) breed a female or two, three, back to the Super Snow father. From those breedings, I'd incubate for males, and if I get an (unknown) albino that pops out, I'd breed it to at least 2 albino strains (by just acquiring 2 different strains from someone) - that should tell me which one it is, right?

Because if the first breeding provides nothing, then the 2nd does, you will know the 3rd isn't it.

Similarly, if the first 2 breedings give normals, you'll know it's the 3rd strain because at this point we have an albino baby originating from the SS x Eclipse pairing bred to unrelated albinos, meaning ONE of the breedings must have albinos in it. Does that all sound right/along the lines of what you are describing?
 
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