I'm about to purchase a W/Y but hoped I could get some help from the community first, White and yellows have always made me scratch my head a bit. While some are clearly different and very unique, I see a lot for sale that honestly look pretty much like a normals even when on very reputable sites.. So my questions is this. What do you look for when buying a W/Y? There's obviously different degrees of expression? What are the clues that you have a W/Y?
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sorry for the pics I thought I deleted them. Those are the 2 im trying choose from lol I was going to ask what is the better example of a mack w/y but decided that question might fall to to much personal opinion. Since I cant find how to delete them might as well keep them up and if any one has opinions on what ones "better" that'd be great lol
IMO, the first does not look WY. The second is a decent example though.
It is hard to describe what to look for with them, but once you see a decent number of them, they kind of jump out at you. In the last few generations it has also become a bit more difficult, because some of the various groups of animals make it hard to distinguish, and some even look WY without being WY.
There is a group on facebook called 'Pastel + White and Yellow.' Peruse around there and look at the various examples, but take it all with a grain of salt, since not everyone in there advertises or labels their animals entirely accurately, so you'll get terms that are entirely useless except for the marketing standpoint.
It is hard to describe what to look for with them, but once you see a decent number of them, they kind of jump out at you. In the last few generations it has also become a bit more difficult, because some of the various groups of animals make it hard to distinguish, and some even look WY without being WY.
There is a group on facebook called 'Pastel + White and Yellow.' Peruse around there and look at the various examples, but take it all with a grain of salt, since not everyone in there advertises or labels their animals entirely accurately, so you'll get terms that are entirely useless except for the marketing standpoint.
"IMO, the first does not look WY. The second is a decent example though."
See thats kinda my point. These are from a reputable site "bhb reptiles" so i truly do believe the genetics are right. But some just dont look the part. So what do you do in that case?
On a side note i just bought the one in second pic, but still interested in opinions/debates on the subject
See thats kinda my point. These are from a reputable site "bhb reptiles" so i truly do believe the genetics are right. But some just dont look the part. So what do you do in that case?
On a side note i just bought the one in second pic, but still interested in opinions/debates on the subject
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BHB isn't reputable mate. Number one clue, they don't list hets. "Snow white and yellow"? What is that? If you want accurate genetic info, your gonna have to pay more than $50 for it.
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I'll Agree with Alceste on that one. BhB reptiles is better with their snakes. Brain does know a bit about geckos, but his life work as always been snake. I would look into Gulf Coast Geckos or Bold & Bright Geckos. They have beautiful babies for good prices.
I'm not sure i totally agree there. There is almost 300 geckos for sale on there site, so listing all hets would be daunting. All it takes is asking and they have records, now they might not have exact percentages but the one i bought is het tremper. And honestly price has nothing to do with knowing the genes of your animals imo.
And what is a "Snow white and yellow" ? Really.. that's confusing? I'm not finding it hard to decyfer that its a Mack snow white and yellow? lol sorry if that sounds aggressive but c'mon now your making it sound like its some made up gibberish.
I'l post pics of gecko later shes about to shed so il get some nice fresh ones
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Going to chime in, I do no breed but I browse websites and these forums a lot. If you plan to breed, knowing hets before you buy an animal is key. You want to know what all of the possible outcomes from offspring are going to be and to help choose which geckos are right for whatever project you plan on doing. I know a site that has well over 300 geckos but lists the hets for every single gecko they sell along with information on which line would be best to breed with, it's not a daunting task if you choose to provide the future buyers with the correct information. Even small scale breeders still list hets for their animals whether it be on the website, Facebook, forums, instagram or whatever.
You asked for everyone's opinions and well opinions are like butt-holes, everyone has them. We're all adults here and one person's opinion about a breeder does not necessarily mean that you are going to like what they have to say if you have no problems with that breeder. I trust the people on this forum who have bred for years on their opinions about morphs and genetics.
You asked for everyone's opinions and well opinions are like butt-holes, everyone has them. We're all adults here and one person's opinion about a breeder does not necessarily mean that you are going to like what they have to say if you have no problems with that breeder. I trust the people on this forum who have bred for years on their opinions about morphs and genetics.
This post was orginaly to get help with info on the white and yellow gene.. thats it.... (No one said anything about breeding)
My asking opinion on specific gecko was an unfortunate byproduct lol.
The reason i come here is cause i truly value the community opinion. I'm sorry if it came out hostile. I just thought i needed to defend the fact that if somone uses shorthand on there website or the animal is not priced at $300+ does not necessarily make them less reputable than others.
My asking opinion on specific gecko was an unfortunate byproduct lol.
The reason i come here is cause i truly value the community opinion. I'm sorry if it came out hostile. I just thought i needed to defend the fact that if somone uses shorthand on there website or the animal is not priced at $300+ does not necessarily make them less reputable than others.
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I know Kristi has a few W/Y, maybe she will chime in at some point. I know there are a few websites on leopard gecko genetics, just don't have those bookmarked on my computer.
As already stated, BHB is not a source of reputable leo genetics. They have the genetics present, but haven't a clue what to do with regard to breeding/labeling them.
The first clue in regard to this is the manner in which they house many of their leos- in harem style breeding groups. Which means that they simply cannot track eggs back to a particular female in the group. Consequently, unless all of the animals in the group carry the exact same genetics, there is no way to 100% accurately label the offspring.
Certainly they can label what pops out visually, but they don't list hets for their leos for a reason- because they don't know.
The first clue in regard to this is the manner in which they house many of their leos- in harem style breeding groups. Which means that they simply cannot track eggs back to a particular female in the group. Consequently, unless all of the animals in the group carry the exact same genetics, there is no way to 100% accurately label the offspring.
Certainly they can label what pops out visually, but they don't list hets for their leos for a reason- because they don't know.
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