Understanding patternless to eclipse...?

Thank you very much!!

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I've gotten a whole lot of cool stripes out of my w/y raptor project from eclipse hets. I don't think that all eclipses still have stripes intertwined in their genetics but I think that some still do - especially the Trempers. The patty stripe raptors have a "look" to them that some others don't have - sometimes slightly muted colors and, kind of a given, patternless appearance. I think the gal that started the cool stripes in my project came from a line that also had red stripe mixed in so it could be influencing my opinion

Lol, so wait, if i will theoretically start from scratch, like normals to aberrant, aberrant to jungles, jungles ro stripes, stripe to reverse, reverse to patty.
Will it be possible to unlock the eclipse by breeding the patternless stripes that i created?? Or even if you add the tremper albin to the equation.
The gene popped up to ron tremper by accident or does it really have somthing to do with the patty stripe?


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The gene has to be there for it to pop up. If it pops up you have a couple eclipse hets floating around. When it "popped up" for Ron Tremper he probably had eclipse hets floating around too - they just happened to be hidden in animals that had stripe genes so that was the combo they came out of. The eclipse and stripe genes came from his project and it took a long while to selectively breed eclipses without strips. So the answer is two fols - yes they have something to do with one another because they came from the same place but no, the genes don't seem to be permanently genetically linked. Therefore there are patty stripes, stripes and reverse stripes with no eclipse in their background and eclipses with no stripes of any sort in their background. Make sense?

Yep, thank you very much, its just that i saw in a stipe the like, the recipe for eclipse is breeding two patty, they ment even from scratch, that they must have some genetical influence that "creates" the eclipse morph, that why i had such a mass out of everything lol, you all were speaking about it as a seperate gene, and i was thinking of how is it possibly unlocked with my leo's (as I or the breeder before me unlocked it).
Thanks alot for clearing things up! And for your time! All of you
So i guess that one of the breeding of ron created a mutation, the mutation was hidden because of it being recessive and the normal gene "fixing" it. Than the offspring that are het.eclipse created the fist eclipse?

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As far as I'm concerned, there is a simple recessive gene for eclipse. There is most likely a polygenetic cause for striping (if there is a dominant/recessive possibility for the presence of broken bands, no one has identified it positively yet, but in my opinion, if it exists, it would be dominant). Personally, I don't feel that eclipse has anything to do with striping, except that they were "discovered" around the same time in the same project, but I have no hard evidence to back it up with.
B'hatzlacha!

Aliza