What do we have here morph wise ?

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So .... the one thing about leopard geckos that i seem to miss a little is the indication what the hell is in there .... Also because the information about certain things is scattered A LOT....

Anyway here are 2 of the geckos that should be able to leave soon... So let's have a chat on what the hell we have here gene wise ?
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G16-1:
Pairing:
Sunglow
X
Patternless stripe poss.het. raptor

My thoughts:
Tremper Albino, poss hypo?

The pictures:
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G16-2:
Pairing:
Sunglow
X
Jungle hypo poss.het. raptor

My thoughts:
Tangerine jungle super hypo carrot tail ?
She looks a lot like a split ice cream...

Picture:
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Welcome to GF!
Neither of these geckos is an albino: note the black (not brown or beige) spots on the tail of the first one.
I would call the first one:
aberrant (broken body bands but not tail bands) super hypo (I think those last 2 little spots are going to fade) tangerine (if it ends up with a nice orange color) baldy (no spots on head).

I'd call the second one what you said, but the jury's out on whether it's a carrot tail till it develops a little more.

they are also both het albino. So far, you haven't proven whether or not the possible het raptor is or not, but 2 hatchings isn't much to go on. I've had every "possible het" recently prove itself out except for my new breeder that's possible het albino and eclipse and so far after 9 offspring seems to be neither.

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acpart said:
Welcome to GF!
Neither of these geckos is an albino: note the black (not brown or beige) spots on the tail of the first one.
I would call the first one:
aberrant (broken body bands but not tail bands) super hypo (I think those last 2 little spots are going to fade) tangerine (if it ends up with a nice orange color) baldy (no spots on head).

I'd call the second one what you said, but the jury's out on whether it's a carrot tail till it develops a little more.

they are also both het albino. So far, you haven't proven whether or not the possible het raptor is or not, but 2 hatchings isn't much to go on. I've had every "possible het" recently prove itself out except for my new breeder that's possible het albino and eclipse and so far after 9 offspring seems to be neither.

Aliza
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Thank you very much!

I see, so it is not just the colour but also the spots for tremper albino ?
Becasue beside that i found him looking just like a juvenile tremper on Tremper Albino - Leopard Gecko Wiki .

This is the reason i came here to find out what exactly we had and what to look for, because some things are just really hard to find on the internet. Especially with all the line bred polygenic traits going on.

And ok on the second one!


And yea they are 100% het tremper / poss het eclipse. But was mainly wondering about what they were visually and especially on the tremper department.

Another question, if i look at tangelo it also has that orange white contrast as the second one has (beside the jungle pattern that she has) How would i be able to recognise the tremper in there if there is any in there ?

Thank for all the help :)

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In leopard geckos, albinos have no black pigmentation. Albinos hatch out with beige and yellow coloring, no black coloring at all. On the body, it can be hard to distinguish whether an animal is albino or not if it loses all its spots because both albinos and non-albinos in that situation will be completely yellow or orange. The tail is usually the giveaway. It can be difficult sometimes because many hatchling leopard geckos that are destined to be super hypo hatch with bands that are more dark brown than black. Some albinos hatch with darker beige than normal and there can be some overlap. I only have the picture. If the gecko in question really does have black spots on the tail, it's likely not an albino and if you have a picture of it when it hatched, it may even be easier to tell (I now take a picture of every gecko when it hatches).

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acpart said:
In leopard geckos, albinos have no black pigmentation. Albinos hatch out with beige and yellow coloring, no black coloring at all. On the body, it can be hard to distinguish whether an animal is albino or not if it loses all its spots because both albinos and non-albinos in that situation will be completely yellow or orange. The tail is usually the giveaway. It can be difficult sometimes because many hatchling leopard geckos that are destined to be super hypo hatch with bands that are more dark brown than black. Some albinos hatch with darker beige than normal and there can be some overlap. I only have the picture. If the gecko in question really does have black spots on the tail, it's likely not an albino and if you have a picture of it when it hatched, it may even be easier to tell (I now take a picture of every gecko when it hatches).

Aliza
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We also take a picture of every gecko when it hatches :)

The top 1:
G16-1-hatch:
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A little while after (1 week:_)
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the lower 1:
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The top one looks like one I hatched that I concluded was not albino:


Here's a non-albino that's darker:


And here's a newly hatched albino:


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Ahh i see now indeed.

Thank you for the help! :) Probably have a few more coming up soon :D

In ball pythons it is a tad easier... and just want to be sure what we have before i do anything :)
 
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Quick update :)

and to see what people think of them now ^^:

Number one:
carrot tail super hypo abarant tangerine?


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Number two:

Tangerine super hypo carrot tail jungle ?
Also curious about the white and the striping that occurs atm? is that reverse stripe?

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The first one is marginally a carrot tail (usually need to have orange over at least 30% of the tail). The second could also be called a "baldy" since the head spots have disappeared. The white stripe in the middle is called a "dorsal stripe" and can even appear in banded geckos. If it didn't have a stripe/reverse stripe when it hatched, it doesn't now. I've been hatching stripe and jungle geckos with fairly wide white stripes up the back but unfortunately they always disappear with maturity.

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acpart said:
The first one is marginally a carrot tail (usually need to have orange over at least 30% of the tail). The second could also be called a "baldy" since the head spots have disappeared. The white stripe in the middle is called a "dorsal stripe" and can even appear in banded geckos. If it didn't have a stripe/reverse stripe when it hatched, it doesn't now. I've been hatching stripe and jungle geckos with fairly wide white stripes up the back but unfortunately they always disappear with maturity.

Aliza
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Ok thank you very much! :) I will post about 3 others I have questions about to in another post! :)
 
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