BLizzard hatchlings with different colorations

Camaleonides

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Hi, we have just started working with plain Blizzards this season. Let me show you the outcome:

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Picture 1: Incubated at 81.5 F constant (females)
Picture 2: Incubated at 87.5 F constant (males)
Picture 3: Incunated at 81.5 F constant (females)
Picture 4: Incubated at 87.5 F constant (males)

Is coloration a random issue with blizzards or there is any other reason than temperature?
 

DrCarrotTail

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The yellow coloration and spotted pattern around the neck and back are typical of Murphy's Pattenless hatchlings. Murphy's Patternless is a leucistic gene that looks a lot like a brighter yellow blizzard when full grown so they can be hard to tell apart. As far as I know the best way to tell the two genes apart is by the pattern on hatchlings. Any chance you have that gene at play? Congrats on a bunch of pretty babies!
 

Camaleonides

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The yellow coloration and spotted pattern around the neck and back are typical of Murphy's Pattenless hatchlings. Murphy's Patternless is a leucistic gene that looks a lot like a brighter yellow blizzard when full grown so they can be hard to tell apart. As far as I know the best way to tell the two genes apart is by the pattern on hatchlings. Any chance you have that gene at play? Congrats on a bunch of pretty babies!

Thanks Lisa, the parens are supposed to be Blizzard but do not know for certain if there could be Murhy Patternless Hets included. Will do some tests crossing with Murphy Patternless next season to find out. I am posting a picture from the parents.
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DrCarrotTail

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Those two could be both MP and Blizz, one could be or they could both carry a recessive gene and you're just hitting odds like crazy! My guess would be that one of them is MP and the other is het because of the high percentage of what I believe are MP babies but from what I understand its almost impossible to tell from looking at an adult if they have both leucistic traits and test breeding is really the only way to figure it out. They both look like gorgeous healthy geckos! Good luck proving the trait out!
 

Neon Aurora

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They all look like blizzards to me. I thought yellow blizzards were a thing and people called them banana blizzards.

what makes me think they are all blizzards and not murphy's patternless is the head coloration of the hatchlings. Blizzards heads are really dark like that and fade into the rest of the body while patternless just have normal heads. I've also never seen a murphy's patternless which such a small amount of patterning upon hatching.

Murphy's patternless:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mur...UICCgB&biw=1680&bih=923#imgrc=vYYQmvzxbZo9dM:

3 different shades of blizzard; a dark one, a sort of medium one, and a "banana blizzard":
https://www.google.com/search?q=mur...=blizzard+leopard+gecko&imgrc=T_cqEnyZ7D_0QM:
 

OhioGecko

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Two of the babies look to be Murphy Patternless. I think your breeding Blizzards are carrying the recessive for MP, but you are on the right track proving them out for next year with an MP.
 

geckolabs

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There have also been a few groups of blizzard that produced offspring resembling MP hatchlings, but to the best of my knowledge, MP was never proved to be at play. Given that the hatchling phenotype is one of the best ways to distinguish the two, it's rather unfortunate, but its not something that is entirely unheard of.

Though, I'd still certainly test to visual MPs to be certain.
 

Camaleonides

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Those two could be both MP and Blizz, one could be or they could both carry a recessive gene and you're just hitting odds like crazy! My guess would be that one of them is MP and the other is het because of the high percentage of what I believe are MP babies but from what I understand its almost impossible to tell from looking at an adult if they have both leucistic traits and test breeding is really the only way to figure it out. They both look like gorgeous healthy geckos! Good luck proving the trait out!

Thanks for your words, will work on it next season
 

Camaleonides

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They all look like blizzards to me. I thought yellow blizzards were a thing and people called them banana blizzards.

what makes me think they are all blizzards and not murphy's patternless is the head coloration of the hatchlings. Blizzards heads are really dark like that and fade into the rest of the body while patternless just have normal heads. I've also never seen a murphy's patternless which such a small amount of patterning upon hatching.

Murphy's patternless:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mur...UICCgB&biw=1680&bih=923#imgrc=vYYQmvzxbZo9dM:

3 different shades of blizzard; a dark one, a sort of medium one, and a "banana blizzard":
https://www.google.com/search?q=mur...=blizzard+leopard+gecko&imgrc=T_cqEnyZ7D_0QM:

Wow! links were very instructive. It seems there is a wide gradient of color in Blizzards. The question would be ¿Is it possible to predict or induce coloration or it is marely random?
 

Camaleonides

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There have also been a few groups of blizzard that produced offspring resembling MP hatchlings, but to the best of my knowledge, MP was never proved to be at play. Given that the hatchling phenotype is one of the best ways to distinguish the two, it's rather unfortunate, but its not something that is entirely unheard of.

Though, I'd still certainly test to visual MPs to be certain.

It seems there is a wide range in Blizzards coloration
 

acpart

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Since blizzards can change color depending on enclosure temp and mood, the range of blizzard colors may be a moot point as far as genetics goes. I only have one blizzard, but she ranges from lavender to bronze throughout the year. It does look to me that both parents are blizzards.

Aliza
 

Camaleonides

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Since blizzards can change color depending on enclosure temp and mood, the range of blizzard colors may be a moot point as far as genetics goes. I only have one blizzard, but she ranges from lavender to bronze throughout the year. It does look to me that both parents are blizzards.

Aliza

We will try to work a little bit more with Blizzards to find out if there is any clue about their coloration
 

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