Bell Patty. Blazing Bell Blizzard

I know that for some reason the bell gene, does not genetically want to combine with either of the patternless genes (bell, or blizzards) I was wondering what theories if any there are for this. I was reading about lethal alleles, and was wondering if anybody thinks this can be a factor to why there isn’t as many to BBB, or Bell Patties hatch. I believe that there was one Bell Patty, and one BBB. I also believe that both died shortly after birth. This is what makes me think, that for some reason it is a lethal allele combination. The other question I had to go along with this was, for the people who are working on these projects. Have any of you noticed lower hatch rates with these parings? The only other theory I have for this, which is just kind of a shot in the dark. Is it possible for the female egg, to reject the sperm cell, and not let it in, for some chemical reason, that we don’t know about. I would assume that the genes would get passed no matter what. (Like a het bell gecko, would pass over the bell gene half the time) As the sperm, and eggs cells, don’t know the genetics of the mating partner. So what is it that makes the genes not want to combine with each other? Any opinions, or theories shared will be much appreciated.

Thanks, in advanced.

Well one reason would be the fact that the Bell Albino is the newest strain of albino on the market. Trust me they didn't make Tremper BBs that quick

Well one reason would be the fact that the Bell Albino is the newest strain of albino on the market. Trust me they didn't make Tremper BBs that quick

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Yeah, I know it takes a while. I heard for Tremper BB, it is about 1 out of 200 hatchlings that hatch BB, haven't more than that been hatched out of the BBB projects? And isn't it like a 1 in 60 for a patty? Haven't more than 60 been hatched out of that project, as well?

I just find this extremely interesting, that they are so hard to achieve. And was jus wondering if anybody knew why.

I don't think enough people have tried yet and also that no one has been lucky enough to produce them (except me with the one Bell Blazing). I think we will see at least one of these morphs pop out this year.

Hee hee, I remember asking the same ? about bell blazings. I think it's pretty much they haven't been worked with enough like the trempers. If you look around there are more trempers bb's than lvbb's, because they've just been out longer. For patty bell, I think that's a fairly new project for most. Hopefully we see one of the crosses this year.
I have thought of the lethal gene, as I used to have a chinchilla and there is a morph cross there that's lethal, but I think with all the extreme crosses being done with leos we'd have seen it by now.

Okay, well could somebody tell me the years, or even better the exact dates, that they three albino strains where released.

If I remember correctly:

Tremper - First appeared in 1996 and first public release was 2000...
Rainwater - First appeared in 1997... Not sure when they were released for public sales...
Bell - First appeared in 1999 and first public release was 2001(?)...

I'm not positive on the second too because I was out of Leos from 2000-2005... I have print outs of the first release of Tremper Albinos, but their whereabouts are unkown...

I just looked it up.
Tremper 1996
Rainwater 1998
Bell 1999
I'm not sure when they were released though.

I think it was 02 the bells were released? Anyhow, Nick when you look at bells from when they first came out compared to the bells now-they look a lot different. Some people loved the bells and a lot didn't take on working with them until the past few years, when they saw the potential in them or what was being done with the other two crosses.
The first bells were sort of "plain" if one could call a bell plain-yellow and brownish. Now there's tang, hypo, ghost, lavendar etc influence. There's a few threads showing off older bells somewhere here.

We've been working on both for a few years. The hatch rate has been great with both projects. Someone will hit the odds eventually.

Just plain bad luck is always a possible explanation.

The combination could be less likely to survive than either type.

The mutants' locations in the genome could be linked. The bell albino mutant gene could be on one chromosome fairly close to the normal version of the patternless mutant gene. And the patternless mutant gene could be on the second chromosome in the chromosome pair, along with the normal version of the bell albino mutant gene.

I'd save patternless and albino babies from the double het x double het matings right from the beginning. If the combo did not come up before these babies matured, I'd mate them to find patternless het albino and albino het patternless animals. Once those are identified, mating two of them would give a 25% probability of getting the combination.