who has an enigma with enigma syndrome

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stephiecakes

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i have seen many cases of enigma syndrome but i think mine has got it really bad he can barley even eat meal worms it takes him 5 tries to get it dose anyone else experience this :eek:
 
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stephiecakes

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ya i got mine and he was givin to my breeder and was under fed and he ate 4 meal worms yesterday but today he is shedding and wont eat but his tail is nothing it is sad im trying to fatten him up he is not like my others he sleeps in random spots is this normal
 
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MeiK

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I see it a bit in one of mine... I see him miss more than the others - but he gets it eventually. :)
 

Dreamgeckos.com

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Hello,

if your enigma is realy underwaight i suggest forcefeeding him or her i always use Royal Canin convalescence support its a powder that vets use for cats and dogs you just mix it with some water vitamines and some calcium its easy to use in combo with a seringe ( sorry im dutch so dont know the exact words ) and a piece of forcefeed tube ( also from vet ) just put the food in the seringe and put the tube down the throat until it cant go anny further ( DO NOT USE ALLOT OF FORCE ) when it stops going in you will feel it . then give him or her enough food acording to your own liking / feeling i have used this food for realy underwaight annimals they should gain 1 to 2 gram a week ! until they can feed them selfes again.

Greets
Richard
 

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Hello,

if your enigma is realy underwaight i suggest forcefeeding him or her i always use Royal Canin convalescence support its a powder that vets use for cats and dogs you just mix it with some water vitamines and some calcium its easy to use in combo with a seringe ( sorry im dutch so dont know the exact words ) and a piece of forcefeed tube ( also from vet ) just put the food in the seringe and put the tube down the throat until it cant go anny further ( DO NOT USE ALLOT OF FORCE ) when it stops going in you will feel it . then give him or her enough food acording to your own liking / feeling i have used this food for realy underwaight annimals they should gain 1 to 2 gram a week ! until they can feed them selfes again.

Greets
Richard



I would not force-feed. It's extrememly unsucessful and stressful to the geckos. Marcia has a slurry recipe under health and medications. Try feeding that to the gecko.
 
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Paco

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First off Is your Enigma an Albino?

If so, What you are describing is an issue that Many Albino's have as well. This seems to be the case with Albino's not just Enigma's. Are you watching the Animals try to eat while there is Bright Lights in the room? If so thats part of the problem. I have noticed over the years that the Albino's are much more sensitive to light and Have a harder time Catching prey when the lights are bright. Don't get me wrong all my Albino's can hunt when there is light, they just don't seem to be as accurate of strikers when there is bright lights, compared to Non Albino Leos.

So I try and feed right before the lights go out, so when lights do go out everyone will be active and be able to see what's to eat with no problems.

Also Enigma Syndrome consists of a Circling and Head Tilting Problems, The eye's were thought to play a role in this but still has not been determined.

So I don't Think your Enigma has any sort of Enigma Syndrome( unless it circles and head tilting issues). Just has sensitive Albino eye's is all.

Also try using Bigger prey Items, you would be amazed how big some Leos like their Meals and it makes it easier to see. If it's not Bigger than their head they will be able to eat it.
 
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Dreamgeckos.com

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the way i forcefeed is not as stresfull as for example trying them to eat a waxworm or other food , how manny times will the gecko just bite and trow it away making you have to try over and over again. now that is stressfull , puting a small tube in theyr mouth is not as stresfull coz you just let them bite on your finger while intubing the leo , i had a ubers underweight gecko that i seazed from somewon that didnt take care of it , its apetite was gone so it would not eat at all , i forcefed her with my method and now she weighs 68 grams and eats by her self , i am not saying that you should forcefeed annimals that are capable and willing to eat from themselfes that would just be plain stupid and unnesessary , the only time i and others should use it is on extreem cases

greetz
Richard
 

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ya i got mine and he was givin to my breeder and was under fed and he ate 4 meal worms yesterday but today he is shedding and wont eat but his tail is nothing it is sad im trying to fatten him up he is not like my others he sleeps in random spots is this normal

He is eating which is good and shedding which mean he's growing. When they shed they don't seem to eat much. I have a Bell Hybino that hides for 3days after shedding, it also takes her 3days to catch a mealworm but sooner or later she catches them. Try not to rush the fattening process and start feeding her a bunch of fatty food. I would suggest a varied diet that is is being gutloaded and supplements properly. Sooner or later if he will start to gain weight if he doesn't have any other issues.

If he stops eating you should try to use Marcia's Slurry that was mentioned before, I think you can find it in the Health Section.
 
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stephiecakes

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First off Is your Enigma an Albino?

If so, What you are describing is an issue that Many Albino's have as well. This seems to be the case with Albino's not just Enigma's. Are you watching the Animals try to eat while there is Bright Lights in the room? If so thats part of the problem. I have noticed over the years that the Albino's are much more sensitive to light and Have a harder time Catching prey when the lights are bright. Don't get me wrong all my Albino's can hunt when there is light, they just don't seem to be as accurate of strikers when there is bright lights, compared to Non Albino Leos.

So I try and feed right before the lights go out, so when lights do go out everyone will be active and be able to see what's to eat with no problems.

Also Enigma Syndrome consists of a Circling and Head Tilting Problems, The eye's were thought to play a role in this but still has not been determined.

So I don't Think your Enigma has any sort of Enigma Syndrome( unless it circles and head tilting issues). Just has sensitive Albino eye's is all.

Also try using Bigger prey Items, you would be amazed how big some Leos like their Meals and it makes it easier to see. If it's not Bigger than their head they will be able to eat it.

well its not an albino , and it is enigma syndrom he walks in circles he will be walking and twitching and then tilt his head and fall , will randomly be walking stop and sleep and i always have the lights out but my red lights on my tank and put the food in front of him meal worms and he has to strake it 5 times before getting it and i dont think i can force feed him he is just a baby really but if you have any tips let me know
 
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stephiecakes

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the way i forcefeed is not as stresfull as for example trying them to eat a waxworm or other food , how manny times will the gecko just bite and trow it away making you have to try over and over again. now that is stressfull , puting a small tube in theyr mouth is not as stresfull coz you just let them bite on your finger while intubing the leo , i had a ubers underweight gecko that i seazed from somewon that didnt take care of it , its apetite was gone so it would not eat at all , i forcefed her with my method and now she weighs 68 grams and eats by her self , i am not saying that you should forcefeed annimals that are capable and willing to eat from themselfes that would just be plain stupid and unnesessary , the only time i and others should use it is on extreem cases

greetz
Richard

i think he wasnt eating yesterday cause he was shedding he ate 4 wax worms the day before only becuase i was out of meal worms i know for a fact he cant cetch crickets he tries and thers no way i tride holding it for him wouldnt budge one bit but he will get the meal worms it just sucks someone would let him be like that and not take cair of him glad i found him and will try to get his wiat up
 
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stephiecakes

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He is eating which is good and shedding which mean he's growing. When they shed they don't seem to eat much. I have a Bell Hybino that hides for 3days after shedding, it also takes her 3days to catch a mealworm but sooner or later she catches them. Try not to rush the fattening process and start feeding her a bunch of fatty food. I would suggest a varied diet that is is being gutloaded and supplements properly. Sooner or later if he will start to gain weight if he doesn't have any other issues.

If he stops eating you should try to use Marcia's Slurry that was mentioned before, I think you can find it in the Health Section.

he ate 4 wax worms 2 days ago then yesterday he shed and didnt eat there is a pic of him on this page you can look and see wat you think http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=32310
but ima keep you posted on how hes doing and ima try and feed again today
 
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Paco

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well its not an albino , and it is enigma syndrom he walks in circles he will be walking and twitching and then tilt his head and fall , will randomly be walking stop and sleep and i always have the lights out but my red lights on my tank and put the food in front of him meal worms and he has to strake it 5 times before getting it and i dont think i can force feed him he is just a baby really but if you have any tips let me know

Well sorry to hear that about the Enigma's issues. But hopefully it will grow out of it. He should never become a breeder though. If you are getting him to eat at all, thats good. Just keep doing what you are and he should hopefully start to gain weight. Only time will tell right now.

Marcia's Slurry is supposed to work wonders on sick and under weight Leos give it try if he is not getting enough to eat.
 
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Hello,

if your enigma is realy underwaight i suggest forcefeeding him or her i always use Royal Canin convalescence support its a powder that vets use for cats and dogs you just mix it with some water vitamines and some calcium its easy to use in combo with a seringe ( sorry im dutch so dont know the exact words ) and a piece of forcefeed tube ( also from vet ) just put the food in the seringe and put the tube down the throat until it cant go anny further ( DO NOT USE ALLOT OF FORCE ) when it stops going in you will feel it . then give him or her enough food acording to your own liking / feeling i have used this food for realy underwaight annimals they should gain 1 to 2 gram a week ! until they can feed them selfes again.

Greets
Richard

I don't really agree with you when you say it causes little stress with the animal. I can't imagin that the animal has no stress when you put a tube down his throat. I think that it really is the last think to do when nothing else works.

The way to try to give food with the least stress is in my opinion still to lay some drops on the nose. The gecko will lick some up. But off course it takes much more time than just pushing a tube in his throat.

Keep also in mind that if you give an animal (that did not eat for a long period) to much food at once it will do more harm than good. Most of the time they will just throw it up again.
 

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I don't really agree with you when you say it causes little stress with the animal. I can't imagin that the animal has no stress when you put a tube down his throat. I think that it really is the last think to do when nothing else works.

The way to try to give food with the least stress is in my opinion still to lay some drops on the nose. The gecko will lick some up. But off course it takes much more time than just pushing a tube in his throat.

Keep also in mind that if you give an animal (that did not eat for a long period) to much food at once it will do more harm than good. Most of the time they will just throw it up again.


True, as i said before it should only be done to annimals that do not eat at all and are extreme cases i didnt say when a gecko wont eat just shuff a tube in him or her also the tube might sound big but its only 0,2 mm whide and about 4 cm length made from soft rubber. ... only use the method i described on them most extreme cases , for example i have a SHTCT 90% carrottail that wont eat weighd 16 gramms it should weight about 36 with her length, it did not wanna eat at al not even lick slurry, thats a extreme case ,

i used the intubating methot on her, now she is up to 23 grams still doesnt have her appitite back but atleast she issents starfing annymore i think in a week she will be eating herself because her activety went up and her collor came back.


Greetz
Richard

PS i got this method from a dutch vet that is specialised in reptiles.
 
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