Weird Morph What Morph are these

Alexakis · Oct 10, 2009

Hi everybody,

i realy need some help to identify my beckobabies!
I have breed my DB with a Enigma het Bell! I know its not a combo that make sense! But i got also some babies from this comb. and nobody can excactly tell me what they babies are! I asked in other forums and some breeder expert like Sykes&Hine! Some tell its Blizzard, some other tell they are patternless and some other tell that these are very unique

Becuse of the Enigma het Bell. A friend told me that they must have some more or other morphs too, but he dont can tell me wich!

Here is a pic of the mother

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and here are some pics of the hatchlings

the first hatchling looks so at the hatchday

and so they look now

the second one looks so ( one month old )

and the third one how hatched a few days looks so

i relay like to know what morph are these!
I mean, if it is a Blizzard, whats about the white tail?
Is it possible that these are BlizzardEnigmas???

Im thankful for every help and answer

Alex

BalloonzForU · Oct 10, 2009

Those are indeed, Murphy's Patternless. The second to the last may be an Enigma Patternless.

Very interesting that you got these from this cross. Seems there are more and more unknown hets out there than should be.

Enigmatic_Reptiles · Oct 10, 2009

paulnj · Oct 10, 2009

The sad reality of this is that you now have patternless pos het bell, het blizzard and het raptor. Offspring from them will be mystery hets until you prove them out to be ONLY het tremper

I can understand a enigma having a hidden patternless het, but that DB being het patty is UNHEARD OF.

Can you post an image of the DB please ?

nevinm · Oct 10, 2009

paulnj said:
I can understand a enigma having a hidden patternless het, but that DB being het patty is UNHEARD OF.

Can you post an image of the DB please ?

:main_thumbsup: :main_thumbsup:

Alexakis · Oct 10, 2009

here is pic of the DB i order this boy from Steve Sykes for the March Hamm Show this year! A very very nice DB

im sure the last two babies turns also like the first one?!
And the first one looks like a Blizzard or not?

BalloonzForU · Oct 10, 2009

Alexakis said:
And the first one looks like a Blizzard or not?

Not.

paulnj · Oct 10, 2009

Well, Steve has an awesome hidden gene in his DB's if the cross is correct, but I suspect you may have mixed eggs possibly. Do you own any patternless males and was she a virgin when you got her?

1st and 3rd sre definately patternless animals.

Alexakis · Oct 10, 2009

paulnj said:
Well, Steve has an awesome hidden gene in his DB's if the cross is correct, but I suspect you may have mixed eggs possibly. Do you own any patternless males and was she a virgin when you got her?

1st and 3rd sre definately patternless animals.

hmm im realy sure that i dont mixed the eggs! Whats about the Enigmal female? Is it possible that he has some other morphs? I bought her as an Enigma het Bell, Did they look like so? Because a friend told me that she must have also another morph?
And yes she was a virgin at time i have breed her with the DB

paulnj · Oct 10, 2009

The reason I asked if she was a virgin is it only takes a minute for a male to do the deed and females have been known to retain sperm for quite awhile. She is definately an enigma het bell/ patty if she laid those eggs.

I only question if the DB is indeed the father because it just seems very unlikely that Steve wouldn't know he has a hidden patty gene in his DB project.

Gazz · Oct 10, 2009

With one of the parents being a visual Talbino eclipse blizzard it's unlikly is't HET Patternless.I'd say them babys are visual blizzards.So the other parent is a Enigma HET Balbino,Blizzard IMO.

Somtime blizzards do express some blotching like the patternless but on a far lesser scale.And on blizzards the blotching only follows the spine and is only a small amount.

I'd deffo say there Blizzards.Wheather there Blizzad enigmas ? is another question.

Blizzard baby expressing blotching.
http://reptilesplus.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/blizzard_leopard.97194819.JPG

Alexakis · Oct 10, 2009

i dont say that the DB has hidden gens! Im sure the DB is a DB! Or what did you mean with " Steve wouldnt know he has a hidden patty gene "

Sorry for my english, its not the best, but i try to wright and read correctly!

Im sure tha the DB is the father of this babies!

Alexakis · Oct 10, 2009

Gazz said:
With one of the parents being a visual Talbino eclipse blizzard it's unlikly is't HET Patternless.I'd say them babys are visual blizzards.So the other parent is a Enigma HET Balbino,Blizzard IMO.

Somtime blizzards do express some blotching like the patternless but on a far lesser scale.And on blizzards the blotching only follows the spine and is only a small amount.

I'd deffo say there Blizzards.Wheather there Blizzad enigmas ? is another question.

Blizzard baby expressing blotching.
http://reptilesplus.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/blizzard_leopard.97194819.JPG

so you are the opinion that these are Blizzards???
And what about the white tail? Is this not a tipical Enigma sign?

Gazz · Oct 10, 2009

Alexakis said:
so you are the opinion that these are Blizzards???
And what about the white tail? Is this not a tipical Enigma sign?

:main_thumbsup:.

Best way to tell if enigma or not is the eyes.That is ofcourse if there not tinted that makes life harder.Blizzards often have white tails i wouldn't say it's a way to ID a Blizzard enigma.The leo in the link i posted [#11] is NOT a Blizzard enigma yet it has a white tail.

BalloonzForU · Oct 10, 2009

Gazz said:
Blizzard baby expressing blotching.
http://reptilesplus.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/blizzard_leopard.97194819.JPG

Most likely because it's a Banana Blizzard which is a Murphy's Pattenless Blizzard.

Gazz · Oct 10, 2009

BalloonzForU said:
Most likely because it's a Banana Blizzard which is a Murphy's Pattenless Blizzard.

Not likly Blizzardpatternless are hyper rare.Proven ones i know of are just two.And that only by word of mouth and where are they now ?.The leo in the link is nothing more than a yellow blizzard.Hatchling yellow blizzard often express dorsal blotching.

paulnj · Oct 10, 2009

Oh snap! I just went through my older images from previous years and found a blizzard image that has that dark head and body spots.

It makes plenty of sense now that you have a enigma het bell / blizzard and have hatched blizzards .

BTW, I have a mack patternless blizzard that's proven

Gazz · Oct 10, 2009

paulnj said:
BTW, I have a mack patternless blizzard that's proven

And then there where three

.But where's the other two:main_huh:.

Alexakis · Oct 10, 2009

hmm i even dont know what these hatchlings are for morphs!?

Gazz · Oct 10, 2009

Alexakis said:
hmm i even dont know what these hatchlings are for morphs!?

Well it's between.

Blizzard HET Talbino,Eclipse/Poss-HET Balbino.

or

Blizzard enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse/Poss-HET Balbino.

Can you get any eye pictures up.

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