My big mystery

acpart · Apr 23, 2014

Two years ago I bought a female gecko from Kristi that was sold to me as an eclipse blood cross, possibly het for Tremper. Last season I bred her with my male Tremper albino and proved her out as het Tremper. She produced 9 offspring (1.8) including 3 albinos and 6 non-albino. No snows, but then I wouldn't expect any snows, right?
This season she's paired with my hypo Mack snow het eclipse. Her first egg hatched today:

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Huh? Total eclipse (supersnow eclipse)?. There is no chance I got the eggs mixed up. I guess there is a slight chance that she evaded the odds last season for 9 hatchlings worth and is really a snow (another gecko I got from Kristi last season and crossed with this same male produced a number of super snow geckos including a total eclipse). Any other thoughts (PM going out to Kristi to check with her).

Aliza

tb144050 · Apr 23, 2014

Don't get me to lying, but the genetics are indisputable, right? (unless you have linebred yourself into a TE-lookalike OR they are both "het blizzard"??).

acpart · Apr 23, 2014

The male is definitely Mack snow het eclipse and nothing else. He's my only snow male and has been breeding for me for about 4 years. The female is the question and I have a PM in to Kristi to get more info. I guess it's theoretically possible for her to be a snow and not have produced any snow babies last season of the 9 that hatched.
Definitely no blizzard in either line.
Aliza

indyana · Apr 24, 2014

Yeah, if there's no chance of an egg mixup, she must be snow. She could be one of the low-expression ones (pastel)?

If that's the case, you might want to take a closer look at last year's baby pictures to see if any look like possible snows. People often find what they are expecting to find.

VampyreByte · Apr 24, 2014

Thats crazy! Can you post some pictures of the parents? I'm really interested in what the Blood Cross Eclipse looks like. I'd be interested in a Total Eclipse baby also if your willing to sell. It intrigues me that it has blood lineage, but is snow.

LepoInc · Apr 24, 2014

Yes, I want to see Momma as well.

And the way I see it, is if you didn't know she was a snow, you wouldn't be looking for any of the snow traits, which can go under the radar very easily. You know more than I do, obviously, so I'm not trying to talk down to you at all. I just know that if I wasn't looking for a specific morph, or didn't expect the snow gene, I would have just thought they would have been a unique gecko. Though, snow babies are pretty difficult to just over-look.

acpart · Apr 24, 2014

I'll try to get pictures of the parents tonight (they're probably up here on some thread, but I'll look). I know what you mean about seeing what you expect and I can't guarantee that I didn't, but since I have all my eggs in the same SIM, I don't always look at a new hatchling based on what just hatched. But, I'll look at the pictures that I have of last year's hatchlings and try to refresh my memory.

Aliza

Kristi23 · Apr 24, 2014

My blood eclipse female came directly from JMG and was sold as blood. The male was produced here and is an eclipse (no snow). The parents produced babies for 3 years together (maybe 2) and produced no snows at all. I'm definitely confused. I've bred the male for 4 seasons with no snows at all and neither parent was a snow. The only possibility is that the female is snow, but she doesn't look it at all and she's never produced any snow babies. I've bred their offspring also with no snow babies.

The one from Eric doesn't surprise me. I just sold it as what I purchased it as, but if I remember, it was light and could have been snow.

Kristi23 · Apr 24, 2014

Here is the dad:

Here is the mom:

DrCarrotTail · Apr 24, 2014

Baby definitely looks like a SS Eclipse. Second snow copy had to come from somewhere! Hav you bred the male to anything else that could have produced that combo if eggs were mixed up? At least it's a fun mystery and not a scary one

acpart · Apr 24, 2014

I keep my 1.2 breeding groups together all season. When an egg is laid, it's marked in 3 places: female first initial and clutch number on the egg, notation on the calendar, notation on the list in the inside cover of my calendar book. These all agree on the mother of this hatchling. The other female gecko in with this trio is documented elsewhere (on the thread called "first of my tenth") by Chris Stager as not being snow (there's a hatchling picture of her on that thread). So on the off-chance that the other female of the trio laid the egg it still wouldn't be a super snow. The geckos have not moved to any other cages. The father is the only male snow breeder in my collection ( have a super snow male that's a retired breeder. He's in another room and hasn't been near the females). So we're all still confused . It will be interesting to see how this gecko develops. She and her clutchmate (normal looking banded so far) both hatched about a week before I was expecting them, at day 44. The first 2 from the other female with this male hatched on day 56. I'll keep you all posted.

Aliza

Kristi23 · Apr 25, 2014

Looking forward to your updates. This is definitely a mystery. I know my eggs have never been messed up. I breed such a small amount that it's rare for me to have two hatch at the same time. And my geckos are kept alone, no breeding groups. Eggs are marked with parents initials and the lay date. I just think it's so odd that I've never hatched any snows from the parents in years of breeding them and you didn't hatch any snows last year from her. Curious now to see what else hatches. The blood eclipse female was one of the early ones JMG produced, too (the mom of your baby).

acpart · Apr 25, 2014

I'll keep you posted. It doesn't surprise me that the mother of mine was an early blood because mine's not that bloody (pictures coming one of these days). I really like her pastel look, though.

Aliza

Kristi23 · Apr 25, 2014

acpart said:
I'll keep you posted. It doesn't surprise me that the mother of mine was an early blood because mine's not that bloody (pictures coming one of these days). I really like her pastel look, though.

Aliza

The mom is pictured above and is actually really orange. But yours was a cross, so she's not full blood. Looking forward to seeing how she turned out though.

tb144050 · Apr 25, 2014

Samantha12 said:
.... I just took in two new females who started laying fertile eggs from the male they were paired with last season, so yes, they can hold sperm for quite a while!

^^source: http://geckoforums.net/f131-leopard-gecko-breeding/99850.htm

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Interesting "food for thought"...??

acpart · Apr 25, 2014

Last season the gecko in question was paired with a (non snow) albino.

Aliza

Kristi23 · Apr 26, 2014

tb144050 said:
^^source: http://geckoforums.net/f131-leopard-gecko-breeding/99850.htm

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Interesting "food for thought"...??

This wouldn't matter in this situation because it produced a super snow. It would need to carry the snow gene to produce a super.

Treefolk · Apr 26, 2014

Well if no mistakes were made, you just discovered something new. What that is? Idk

acpart · Apr 26, 2014

It will be interesting to see if it does develop as a true super snow.

Aliza

acpart · May 14, 2014

Update at 3 weeks of age. Still on the super snow development track:

Aliza

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