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I have been getting a lot of questions on this morph lately. With the Super name but a recessive morph and the difference between a Stinger and Zero, it seems there is a lot of confusion. I will try to clear it up with this thread and answer any questions. I do ask that you please read all the following information before you ask a question.... please
To start this off you will first need to read the post from JMG Reptile's website:
http://jmgreptile.com/morph-update/78-6-03-2012-super-zero-super-stinger-genetics-update
You will need to know the following terms to understand the post.
Allele: is one of two or more forms of a gene or a genetic locus (generally a group of genes). The form "allel" is also used, an abbreviation of allelomorph.
Recessive: is an allele that causes a phenotype (visible or detectable characteristic) that is only seen in a homozygous genotype (an organism that has two copies of the same allele) and never in a heterozygous genotype.
Heterozygous: A diploid organism is heterozygous at a gene locus when its cells contain two different alleles of a gene.[3] Heterozygous genotypes are represented by a capital letter (representing the dominant allele) and a lowercase letter (representing the recessive allele), such as "Rr" or "Ss". The capital letter is usually written first.
If the trait in question is determined by simple (complete) dominance, a heterozygote will express only the trait coded by the dominant allele, and the trait coded by the recessive allele will not be present. In more complex dominance schemes the results of heterozygosity can be more complex.
Homozygous: A cell is said to be homozygous for a particular gene when identical alleles of the gene are present on both homologous chromosomes.[2] The cell or organism in question is called a homozygote. True breeding organisms are always homozygous for the traits that are to be held constant.
An individual that is homozygous-dominant for a particular trait carries two copies of the allele that codes for the dominant trait. This allele, often called the "dominant allele", is normally represented by a capital letter (such as "P" for the dominant allele producing purple flowers in pea plants). When an organism is homozygous-dominant for a particular trait, the genotype is represented by a doubling of the symbol for that trait, such as "PP".
An individual that is homozygous-recessive for a particular trait carries two copies of the allele that codes for the recessive trait. This allele, often called the "recessive allele", is usually represented by the lowercase form of the letter used for the corresponding dominant trait (such as, with reference to the example above, "p" for the recessive allele producing white flowers in pea plants). The genotype of an organism that is homozygous-recessive for a particular trait is represented by a doubling of the appropriate letter, such as "pp".
Phenotypically: result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
**all definitions above were taken from wikipedia.org
Below is the JMG post in it's entirety:
"Over the past years as we bred the zero and stinger trait we have come to the conclusion that these morphs are a definite recessive. The original patternless and the Super zero / super stinger is allelic with each other."
"The Super zero / Super stinger is a separate line of recessive patternless from the original patternless that has another pattern changing gene close to the main recessive allele that is passed on when the Super zero or super stinger is bred to a normal or other morph. This pattern changing gene close to the main recessive allele can give some of the heterozygous and possible heterozygous offspring connecting bands on the back. The crossing of zeros or stingers to normals will also yield visibly different patterned offspring but may not be actual hets for the super form. This lead to the confusion that these morphs were acting Co-Dom since the other trait at work will give hets and non hets stinger or zero patterns. It is possible to produce all normal looking offspring with a super zero or super stinger and the heterozygous babies when bred together will produce super zeros / super stingers and possibly zeros or stingers possible het for super zero or super stinger. We have come to the conclusion as well that some stingers and zeros that were from het X het super zero or stinger breedings may not be heterozygous for super zero or super stinger even though they display the connecting back pattern. With some pattern / color hereditary traits there are other genetics aside from the main mutation at work that can alter anything. With some morphs there can be a pattern mutating allele inseparable from the main mutation allele seen in some recessive pattern mutations such as the Super zero. Even though the super zero and super stinger are compatible with patternless their ability to produce unique patterned offspring and the difference phenotypically between the homozygous morphs still makes them their own individual morph and they are not the same as a patternless. The future for these traits is very promising as seen when zeros and stingers are bred into hidden genes and the obvious differences between Super zeros / Super stingers and patternless alone. The zero and stinger name will remain the same, the homozygous forms will still be referred to as supers since they have been labeled this way for years."
-end of JMG post-
So the Zero's and Stingers are the same morph with the only difference being that the Zero has a stripe.
HOW DOES THE AFT STRIPE GENE WORK?
To confuse this even more the stripe genetic is a dominant genetic trait that in its heterozygous form bred to a non-stripe AFT, it will produce 50% stripes and 50% non-stripes. If the stripe gene on an AFT is homozygous for the stripe and breed to a non-stripe AFT then 100% of the offspring will be stripes.
Example of how a dominant gene works:
S= Visual Stripe
s= No Stripe
Ss= Visual heterozygous Stripe
SS= Visual homozygous Stripe
ss= No Stripe
Ss x SS
50% SS Visual homozygous stripe
50% Ss Visual heterzygous stripe
SS x ss
100% Ss Visual herterzygous stripe
Ss x Sx
25% SS Visual homozygous stripe
50% Ss Visual heterzygous stripe
25% ss No Stripe
Ss x ss
25% Ss Visual heterzygous stripe
75% ss No stripe
ss x ss
100% No stripe
Now with the stripe genetics cleared up it will be easier to explain the that the only difference between the Stinger and Zero morph is the stripe. Other than the stripe they are the same. An easy way to keep the two straight is that the Zero morph has the stripe gene and therefore takes the Stinger away.
I will explain the Stinger morph and give examples first. The Stinger Morph usually has enclosed bands in the middle of the back with circles symmetrically placed on each side. (Pic coming soon) A Super Stinger looks very similar to a patternless and is even allelic with a patternless. Allelic meaning that if you breed a het Super Stinger to a het Patternless, you can produce a Patternless gecko!
Here are examples of what to expect from Super Stinger/Stinger breedings.
Super Stinger x Normal
100% het Super Stinger
Super Stinger x Stinger het Super Stinger
50% Super Stinger
50% Stinger het Super Stinger
Super Stinger x het Super Stinger
25% Super Stinger
25% Stinger het Super Stinger
50% het Super Stinger
Stinger het Super Stinger x Stinger het Super Stinger
25% Super Stinger
50% Stinger het Super Stinger
25% het 66% Super Stinger
Stinger het Super Stinger x het Super Stinger
??% Super Stinger
50% Stinger het Super Stinger
40+% het 66% Super Stinger
het Super Stinger x het Super Stinger
??% Super Stinger
25% Stinger het Super Stinger
90+% het 66% Super Stinger
Here are examples of what to expect from Super Zero/Zero breedings.
Super Zero x Normal
100% het Super Zero
Super Zero x Zero het Super Zero
50% SuperZero
50% Zero het Super Zero
Super Zero x het Super Zero
25% Super Zero
25% Stinger het Super Zero
50% het Super Zero
Zero het Super Zero x Zero het Super Zero
25% Super Zero
50% Zero het Super Zero
25% het 66% Super Zero
Zero het Super Zero x het Super Zero
??% Super Zero
50% Stinger het Super Zero
40+% het 66% Super Zero
het Super Stinger x het Super Zero
??% Super Zero
25% Zero het Super Zero
90+% het 66% Super Zero
Here are examples of what to expect from Super Stinger/Zero breedings.
Super Stinger x Super Zero(het stripe)
50% Super Stinger
50% Super Zero
Super Stinger x Super Zero (homo stripe)
100% Super Zero
Super Stinger x Zero het Super Zero (het Stripe)
25% Super Stinger
25% Super Zero
25% Stinger het Super Stinger
25% Zero het Super Zero
Super Stinger x Zero het Super Zero (homo Stripe)
50% Super Zero
50% Zero het Super Zero
The Stinger/Zero gene is completely figured out yet, therefore the ?? in the percentages. They also react very differently when combined with other morphs. It will be exciting to see all the combo morphs and how the zero/stinger gene affects them.
To start this off you will first need to read the post from JMG Reptile's website:
http://jmgreptile.com/morph-update/78-6-03-2012-super-zero-super-stinger-genetics-update
You will need to know the following terms to understand the post.
Allele: is one of two or more forms of a gene or a genetic locus (generally a group of genes). The form "allel" is also used, an abbreviation of allelomorph.
Recessive: is an allele that causes a phenotype (visible or detectable characteristic) that is only seen in a homozygous genotype (an organism that has two copies of the same allele) and never in a heterozygous genotype.
Heterozygous: A diploid organism is heterozygous at a gene locus when its cells contain two different alleles of a gene.[3] Heterozygous genotypes are represented by a capital letter (representing the dominant allele) and a lowercase letter (representing the recessive allele), such as "Rr" or "Ss". The capital letter is usually written first.
If the trait in question is determined by simple (complete) dominance, a heterozygote will express only the trait coded by the dominant allele, and the trait coded by the recessive allele will not be present. In more complex dominance schemes the results of heterozygosity can be more complex.
Homozygous: A cell is said to be homozygous for a particular gene when identical alleles of the gene are present on both homologous chromosomes.[2] The cell or organism in question is called a homozygote. True breeding organisms are always homozygous for the traits that are to be held constant.
An individual that is homozygous-dominant for a particular trait carries two copies of the allele that codes for the dominant trait. This allele, often called the "dominant allele", is normally represented by a capital letter (such as "P" for the dominant allele producing purple flowers in pea plants). When an organism is homozygous-dominant for a particular trait, the genotype is represented by a doubling of the symbol for that trait, such as "PP".
An individual that is homozygous-recessive for a particular trait carries two copies of the allele that codes for the recessive trait. This allele, often called the "recessive allele", is usually represented by the lowercase form of the letter used for the corresponding dominant trait (such as, with reference to the example above, "p" for the recessive allele producing white flowers in pea plants). The genotype of an organism that is homozygous-recessive for a particular trait is represented by a doubling of the appropriate letter, such as "pp".
Phenotypically: result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
**all definitions above were taken from wikipedia.org
Below is the JMG post in it's entirety:
"Over the past years as we bred the zero and stinger trait we have come to the conclusion that these morphs are a definite recessive. The original patternless and the Super zero / super stinger is allelic with each other."
"The Super zero / Super stinger is a separate line of recessive patternless from the original patternless that has another pattern changing gene close to the main recessive allele that is passed on when the Super zero or super stinger is bred to a normal or other morph. This pattern changing gene close to the main recessive allele can give some of the heterozygous and possible heterozygous offspring connecting bands on the back. The crossing of zeros or stingers to normals will also yield visibly different patterned offspring but may not be actual hets for the super form. This lead to the confusion that these morphs were acting Co-Dom since the other trait at work will give hets and non hets stinger or zero patterns. It is possible to produce all normal looking offspring with a super zero or super stinger and the heterozygous babies when bred together will produce super zeros / super stingers and possibly zeros or stingers possible het for super zero or super stinger. We have come to the conclusion as well that some stingers and zeros that were from het X het super zero or stinger breedings may not be heterozygous for super zero or super stinger even though they display the connecting back pattern. With some pattern / color hereditary traits there are other genetics aside from the main mutation at work that can alter anything. With some morphs there can be a pattern mutating allele inseparable from the main mutation allele seen in some recessive pattern mutations such as the Super zero. Even though the super zero and super stinger are compatible with patternless their ability to produce unique patterned offspring and the difference phenotypically between the homozygous morphs still makes them their own individual morph and they are not the same as a patternless. The future for these traits is very promising as seen when zeros and stingers are bred into hidden genes and the obvious differences between Super zeros / Super stingers and patternless alone. The zero and stinger name will remain the same, the homozygous forms will still be referred to as supers since they have been labeled this way for years."
-end of JMG post-
So the Zero's and Stingers are the same morph with the only difference being that the Zero has a stripe.
HOW DOES THE AFT STRIPE GENE WORK?
To confuse this even more the stripe genetic is a dominant genetic trait that in its heterozygous form bred to a non-stripe AFT, it will produce 50% stripes and 50% non-stripes. If the stripe gene on an AFT is homozygous for the stripe and breed to a non-stripe AFT then 100% of the offspring will be stripes.
Example of how a dominant gene works:
S= Visual Stripe
s= No Stripe
Ss= Visual heterozygous Stripe
SS= Visual homozygous Stripe
ss= No Stripe
Ss x SS
50% SS Visual homozygous stripe
50% Ss Visual heterzygous stripe
SS x ss
100% Ss Visual herterzygous stripe
Ss x Sx
25% SS Visual homozygous stripe
50% Ss Visual heterzygous stripe
25% ss No Stripe
Ss x ss
25% Ss Visual heterzygous stripe
75% ss No stripe
ss x ss
100% No stripe
Now with the stripe genetics cleared up it will be easier to explain the that the only difference between the Stinger and Zero morph is the stripe. Other than the stripe they are the same. An easy way to keep the two straight is that the Zero morph has the stripe gene and therefore takes the Stinger away.
I will explain the Stinger morph and give examples first. The Stinger Morph usually has enclosed bands in the middle of the back with circles symmetrically placed on each side. (Pic coming soon) A Super Stinger looks very similar to a patternless and is even allelic with a patternless. Allelic meaning that if you breed a het Super Stinger to a het Patternless, you can produce a Patternless gecko!
Here are examples of what to expect from Super Stinger/Stinger breedings.
Super Stinger x Normal
100% het Super Stinger
Super Stinger x Stinger het Super Stinger
50% Super Stinger
50% Stinger het Super Stinger
Super Stinger x het Super Stinger
25% Super Stinger
25% Stinger het Super Stinger
50% het Super Stinger
Stinger het Super Stinger x Stinger het Super Stinger
25% Super Stinger
50% Stinger het Super Stinger
25% het 66% Super Stinger
Stinger het Super Stinger x het Super Stinger
??% Super Stinger
50% Stinger het Super Stinger
40+% het 66% Super Stinger
het Super Stinger x het Super Stinger
??% Super Stinger
25% Stinger het Super Stinger
90+% het 66% Super Stinger
Here are examples of what to expect from Super Zero/Zero breedings.
Super Zero x Normal
100% het Super Zero
Super Zero x Zero het Super Zero
50% SuperZero
50% Zero het Super Zero
Super Zero x het Super Zero
25% Super Zero
25% Stinger het Super Zero
50% het Super Zero
Zero het Super Zero x Zero het Super Zero
25% Super Zero
50% Zero het Super Zero
25% het 66% Super Zero
Zero het Super Zero x het Super Zero
??% Super Zero
50% Stinger het Super Zero
40+% het 66% Super Zero
het Super Stinger x het Super Zero
??% Super Zero
25% Zero het Super Zero
90+% het 66% Super Zero
Here are examples of what to expect from Super Stinger/Zero breedings.
Super Stinger x Super Zero(het stripe)
50% Super Stinger
50% Super Zero
Super Stinger x Super Zero (homo stripe)
100% Super Zero
Super Stinger x Zero het Super Zero (het Stripe)
25% Super Stinger
25% Super Zero
25% Stinger het Super Stinger
25% Zero het Super Zero
Super Stinger x Zero het Super Zero (homo Stripe)
50% Super Zero
50% Zero het Super Zero
The Stinger/Zero gene is completely figured out yet, therefore the ?? in the percentages. They also react very differently when combined with other morphs. It will be exciting to see all the combo morphs and how the zero/stinger gene affects them.
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