Tanked. Seriously -_-

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Well, trying to avoid watching Animal Planets new show, Tanked, has been going great, but then i flicked past the channel and saw a GTP(Green tree python for the non snake savy). Which of course got my interest. All i can say is this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJOW-sQBW9k

Now, im not sure as far as the snakes and salt-water is concerned but i KNOW that the freshwater column is a gladiator slaughter house waiting to happen. The stock is just all over HORRID. Something tells me that having multiple GTP in a tank may lead to some...issues. particularly if theres more then 1 male. BUT i may be wrong, anyone who cares to enlighten, by all means.
 
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Yeah i figured as much, i think they only added 3-4 or so. They looked good when he took them out of the box. But, with what ive seen from this show, they just make me nervous...not to mention this is a petco tank -_-. No offence to petco but animals just really arnt their thing.
 
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I think the fish tanks both look okay to me, but they dont give a lot of time to look at al the tank mates
 
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Katie. Those are tall tanks right?

MULTIPLE agressive species of gourami. Thats what they themed it on. There are a ton of dwarfs, no females. A few pairs of Kissing gourami and a bunch of 3 spots. Its a disaster. Not to mention again, tall tank. Not really good for air breathers like gourami. The Kissing are going to take over the top of the tank since they will be the biggest by far. That means the dwarfs will have to fight to get to the surface to breath.
 
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*shrugs*
Stupid fish like kissing gouramis will never have an ideal tank. We have a clients tank thats similar and its not so horrible.
 
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Doesn't make it right. Kissing gourami arnt a stupid fish, their a smart fish. Just because it takes some EFFORT to keep the fish doesn't mean its stupid. Sorry that its so damn hard. An ideal tank, yeah, TOTALLY not possible. Only a 100gal tank with plants and a few caves, nice and long and not too tall. These fish arnt from deep water. I just got Banded gourami the other day, had to replant and arrange my tank for them. Im not complaining though because thats what it takes to keep a living animal, meeting their needs. So please dont dis on a fish because its care needs are more then a bowl with gravel in it.
 
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I meant stupid fish as in a stupid choice for the average aquarium.
Ive seen tanks like that one in person, and they do work.

Gouramis don't always need the surface to breathe, only in low oxygen situations.
I never said it was right, but its a tv show.
I work in the business, and you cant get angry with every little thing that someone does wrong or you'll stress yourself to death. We're currently baby sitting a tank with 2 jacks, 3 pearl male gouramis, 6 silver dollars, t barbs and a misc gourami. Sounds horrible eh? Theyve been all living together peacefully for 6 years, surprizingly.

and 100 gallons for a kissing gourami is still not ideal. you would need a small pond. My boyfriend caught one fishing (ovbiously released) that was 2 feet long.

Thats just my opinion. People will do what they do. Doesnt make it right, youre right.
I feel much stronger on the subject of reef and salt water fish, as they are wild caught and detrimental in the environment.
 
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Theres a difference between peaceful and over stressed. Its why fish stores can keep 10 dwarf gourami males in a 5gallon tank without fighting.
 
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I saw the show last night. I am by no means a fish expert, although I have kept lots of cichlids in my life, but I didn't see anything horribly wrong with those tanks. For one they were enormous sized tanks. The middle one was around 460 gallons by itself. Also they only had 2 pythons in the other terrarium which is no problem whatsoever.

Again, no expert and not taking sides here...just posting my thoughts out loud after watching the entire episode.
 
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Its fine, the tanks never look bad. Thatd be counter productive for the show. The issue in the freshwater tank will arise when the gourami start settling territories, they are a very aggressive fish(well, kissing, 3spot and dwarf are). Fish that are dominate get better access to the top of the tank to breath and get food. Contrary to what katie said, they actually DO need to breath atmospheric air. All 3 species can drown with out it, similar to bettas. They can get by on tank water oxygen but like with humans or any animals, its like being in a low oxygen area for them. Regardless of how well circulated the water gets. Now, kissing gourami get Huge. Just a big fish with no place in the aquarium industry, the tank they are in, thats big enough for 4-5 of them. An Adult alone needs around 75gallons to its self. They are quite capable of killing/eating smaller gourami when full grown as well, even if its just a territorial peck. 3spots only get about 4-6 inches, they are rather rambunctious at times and really do best off alone, in large groups of a few males to a bunch of females it might work, but at the same time, males are pretty relentless with eachother. Dwarfs are the smallest at around 3" max, they however, have a huge personality that gets them in to trouble when housed with other bullies. Minimum size tank for housing 2 dwarf males safley together is 55gals, though its possible in 30gallons you have to keep constant watch.

Again, the tank has more vertical space then horizontal which is what would be more important to the gourami species, all about the foot print. That way there is more surface space to be reached and less water column to have to fight through.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabantoidei

http://zannr.hubpages.com/hub/Labyrinth-Fish

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/labyrinth+fish

http://freshaquarium.about.com/od/bettas/f/labyrinth.htm

I've been in this business for over 10 years. They have two "sets" of lungs and only need to breath atmospheric air in low oxygen situations. They have the same gills and respirtory system as all other fish, but are equipped with their labyrinth organ based on where they live in the wild (low oxygen waters).
I know my stuff. I also consulted with our fish expert, whoes been breeding and researching fish for over 30 years, and he agrees.

I'm not trying to argue, I just don't like being told I am wrong when I know I am not.
 
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Just dug a little deeper and I might have read what youve mentioned.
There has been some studies that show when the labrynth was removed from the betta, the betta suffocated and died. This study was only done in the betta, and only speculates some things, its just a theory.
 
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If you put a betta in a container with limited access to atmospheric air, it will drown. I have seen it done. Youll also notice that both gourami and betta have a high preference to breathing atmospheric air, rarely do i see them do other wise unless their scared to surface or sleeping.

As for betta surgeries, they have done a lot of crap with them recently. One study removed the Overies of some 30-50 females, a large number survived and then i believe most of them turned into males that could breed (OT i know, but hey, its an interesting study.)
 
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