My doggies! (Scary)

bpgirl95

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Beautiful. Where is the scary?

It was supposed to be sarcasm :) darn computers can't show emotions or sarcasm through typing haha.

It was sarcastic because I have had so many people walk in the opposite direction of me because of my dogs appearances. I know all the hype that goes along with Rotties and Pits, and many other breeds too... it just bugs me when some people are so arrogant.

Thank you for the kind words. They are my babies. I wouldn't trade them for the world! :) :D
 

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They're so adorable! You 'scary' babes look so perfect. : ) I want very badly to get a rottie or a pit when my lady and I get a home together. She loves them both and so do I.
 

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They're so adorable! You 'scary' babes look so perfect. : ) I want very badly to get a rottie or a pit when my lady and I get a home together. She loves them both and so do I.

You definitely should! My rottie is purebred because I show her in AKC conformation shows. My pit is a mutt, we rescued her... supposedly pit and schnauzer. Definitely an interesting mix.

Thank you EVERYONE for the kind words! I love my babies! :) :) Feel free to post any and all pics of your dogs, I would love to see them!
 

bpgirl95

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People walk across the street when I walk my dogs.
One of them is a yorkie. Ppl are babies.

I know! You're telling me! People make a point to avoid me. I was walking with both of them one time and my 5 year old brother was walking my rottie. This elderly couple was walking past and the man said with a humorous tone, "that is one big dog. Almost bigger than you." to my younger brother. I said, would you like to say hi? they are very friendly dogs. And his reply was, "No. I don't ever trust rottweilers and pit bulls."

It makes me so sad... :(
 

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I know! You're telling me! People make a point to avoid me. I was walking with both of them one time and my 5 year old brother was walking my rottie. This elderly couple was walking past and the man said with a humorous tone, "that is one big dog. Almost bigger than you." to my younger brother. I said, would you like to say hi? they are very friendly dogs. And his reply was, "No. I don't ever trust rottweilers and pit bulls."

It makes me so sad... :(

Yes me to. But I am an american pit bull owner and you always have to rember they were bred for dog agression. And my monster pit sleeps with my wifes teddy bear dog and loves her cats, but If a big male dog tests him he will go in a heart beat. I don't let my wife walk him for that reason.
 

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Yes me to. But I am an american pit bull owner and you always have to rember they were bred for dog agression. And my monster pit sleeps with my wifes teddy bear dog and loves her cats, but If a big male dog tests him he will go in a heart beat. I don't let my wife walk him for that reason.
It depends a lot on their socialisation as puppies. It's very rare for a dog that was well-socialised as a puppy to be aggressive as an adult.

~Maggot
 

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Yes me to. But I am an american pit bull owner and you always have to rember they were bred for dog agression. And my monster pit sleeps with my wifes teddy bear dog and loves her cats, but If a big male dog tests him he will go in a heart beat. I don't let my wife walk him for that reason.

That has nothing to do with your dogs breed. Training, socialization and sterilization could have easily prevented that aggression.
Many dogs were bred for "aggressive" reasons. Either bull baiting, hunting, etc. Many dogs were bred to do our dirty work. That does NOT mean theyre all hard wired for it. Pits are terriers, terriers main purpose were to rat. Yes they were also used to bull bait and to fight each other, but they werent born with those habits, they were taught those "skills" through being beat or faught. Pits being used to fight eachother is "new" if you want to get into the nitty gritty. Aggressions towards humans/other dogs are a learned behaviour. I am a firm believer in Nuture vs Nature.

Pits dont come out of the womb fighting...
 
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bpgirl95

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That has nothing to do with your dogs breed. Training, socialization and sterilization could have easily prevented that aggression.
Many dogs were bred for "aggressive" reasons. Either bull baiting, hunting, etc. Many dogs were bred to do our dirty work. That does NOT mean theyre all hard wired for it. Pits are terriers, terriers main purpose were to rat. Yes they were also used to bull bait and to fight each other, but they werent born with those habits, they were taught those "skills" through being beat or faught. Pits being used to fight eachother is "new" if you want to get into the nitty gritty. Aggressions towards humans/other dogs are a learned behaviour. I am a firm believer in Nuture vs Nature.

Pits dont come out of the womb fighting...

LOVE IT! Thanks Katie, I completely agree. And to be honest, almost any dog can be taught NOT to be dog aggressive. I met two dogs with SEVERE dominance issues. I brought my dog, rottweiler, who will not take crap from most dogs and within 3 days they were all buddies. Aggression IS a learned behavior. I do not think that a dog purposely wants to ever be mean. They are pack animals. They are propelled by fear, anger and even other emotions. If we are talking about how Rottweilers and Pits were bred to fight then I must be insane to have one around a 2 year old, a 3 year old, a 7 and 9 year old. Also around my guinea pig, mini pig, chickens and other animals. I am a total believer in SOCIALIZATION! START YOUNG!!!
 

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That has nothing to do with your dogs breed. Training, socialization and sterilization could have easily prevented that aggression.
Many dogs were bred for "aggressive" reasons. Either bull baiting, hunting, etc. Many dogs were bred to do our dirty work. That does NOT mean theyre all hard wired for it. Pits are terriers, terriers main purpose were to rat. Yes they were also used to bull bait and to fight each other, but they werent born with those habits, they were taught those "skills" through being beat or faught. Pits being used to fight eachother is "new" if you want to get into the nitty gritty. Aggressions towards humans/other dogs are a learned behaviour. I am a firm believer in Nuture vs Nature.

Pits dont come out of the womb fighting...
I agree that mostly pit bulls' behaviour is environmental, but the fact of the matter is that the breed was bred somewhat for dog aggression, though it's not exceptionally prevalent and can be pretty easily overridden by proper care and socialisation. The vague instinct, imo, is still there though in some dogs. They weren't bred for human aggression ever, as they were actually culled if they had any human aggression issues - which is why they're known for being exceptionally good with people.

And I'm not really sure what you consider "new," but dogfighting has been around clearly since 1835 when bull baiting was outlawed. Granted I guess you could argue that's "new," if you're talking about the entire history of the world.

It’s important to understand that not just any dog can be trained for pit fighting. Much like herding dogs, hunting dogs and other breeds designed for particular roles, fighting dogs have been genetically engineered to be receptive to the training that will prepare them to succeed in the pit. Staged fights are not the same as the scuffles seen in dog runs or between dogs in the same home. Most fights among pet dogs end quickly, with one individual submitting to the other, and they rarely result in serious injuries. The winner typically accepts the submission signals of the loser and ends the encounter with no further aggression.

To produce successful fighting dogs, certain aspects of normal dog behavior had to be altered. Most fighting dogs will continue to attack, regardless of whether their opponent gives up or not. In addition, a “game” fighting dog will continue to do battle even though badly injured. Gameness—a dog's willingness to persevere despite great adversity—is the most admired trait in fighting dogs. Great attention is paid to breeding only sires and dams that pass this quality on to their progeny.

http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/dog-fighting/history-of-dog-fighting.aspx

Like everything, nature and nurture both play a role. I'm sure it's true there are dogs out there who are just naturally not good with other dogs (probably dogs that come from extensive fight breeding lines), and it's true that most pit bulls, especially if they have been properly cared for and socialised, are the greatest breed (imo) and can happily live with other dogs and animals.

~Maggot
 

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Thats a very uneducated way of thinking. I guess we can thank the media.
I will not have this debate.
I have a university degree in animal sciences. This isnt me speaking out my butt.
Pitts are no more aggressive in nature than any other dog. They are in no way more prone to being dog or human aggressive. "Pitbull" like dogs can be catagorized into many breeds, not all have the horrible stigma of a PITTBULL.
They do not have an instinct to be aggressive to each other, that is a foolish statement.
Do the puppies from the "toughest" fighters fight each other? No. Theyre baited and beaten to become aggressive. They dont just "know what to do" THEY ARE TAUGHT.

Until we can all understand that pittbulls arent hard wired to kill, they will continue to ban them. I for one am furious that they are illegal here. Heck my dog is still catagorized as a pitt bull like breed. As are all bull terriers, bulldogs, boxers, and anything that has similar physical characteristics. Its a DISGUSTING stigma.
 
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Id also like to point out that the highest number of dog bites per breed for Canada, for 2011 came from the dachshund. (This counts number of reported bites to humans AND other animals, when I find the link I will for sure post it).

Now can we say this badger hunting little dog bites others because its hard wired to? I dont think thats fair. Would a fairer assumption be that many people who buy little dogs treat them like children and fail to socialize and train them properly? Leading to unstable and unbalanced dogs? Fairer.
Same goes with "pitts". Many people assume they dog will be aggressive with others and fail to socialize them properly. A large majority of people who own pittbulls are men. Some of which don't believe in neutering their dogs for a handful of reasons. Testicals can make any male dog, of any breed, more likely to show aggression towards other male dogs. THAT is nature. The fact that they are pitts, is irrelivent.
 

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Thats a very uneducated way of thinking. I guess we can thank the media.
I will not have this debate.
I have a university degree in animal sciences. This isnt me speaking out my butt.
Pitts are no more aggressive in nature than any other dog. They are in no way more prone to being dog or human aggressive. "Pitbull" like dogs can be catagorized into many breeds, not all have the horrible stigma of a PITTBULL.
They do not have an instinct to be aggressive to each other, that is a foolish statement.
Do the puppies from the "toughest" fighters fight each other? No. Theyre baited and beaten to become aggressive. They dont just "know what to do" THEY ARE TAUGHT.

Until we can all understand that pittbulls arent hard wired to kill, they will continue to ban them. I for one am furious that they are illegal here. Heck my dog is still catagorized as a pitt bull like breed. As are all bull terriers, bulldogs, boxers, and anything that has similar physical characteristics. Its a DISGUSTING stigma.
You are so seriously misunderstanding what I'm saying - whether unintentionally or willfully, I can't tell. But for "not having this debate," you sure are talking a lot. ;)

~Maggot
 

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I agree that mostly pit bulls' behaviour is environmental, but the fact of the matter is that the breed was bred somewhat for dog aggression, though it's not exceptionally prevalent and can be pretty easily overridden by proper care and socialisation. The vague instinct, imo, is still there though in some dogs. They weren't bred for human aggression ever, as they were actually culled if they had any human aggression issues - which is why they're known for being exceptionally good with people.

And I'm not really sure what you consider "new," but dogfighting has been around clearly since 1835 when bull baiting was outlawed. Granted I guess you could argue that's "new," if you're talking about the entire history of the world.



http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/dog-fighting/history-of-dog-fighting.aspx

Like everything, nature and nurture both play a role. I'm sure it's true there are dogs out there who are just naturally not good with other dogs (probably dogs that come from extensive fight breeding lines), and it's true that most pit bulls, especially if they have been properly cared for and socialised, are the greatest breed (imo) and can happily live with other dogs and animals.

~Maggot

Your statements on pitts and having natural aggression, THATS where Im getting the ignorance from. I understand youre still pro-pitt but portions of your statement still add to the negative stigma.
 
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