Nynecho
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[FONT=proxima-nova, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So I breed pet store geckos.
I find one that looks nice and pair it with one that has compatible genes and would make nice babies.
I don't breed sick geckos.
I don't breed starving geckos.
I just breed geckos that don't have the strongest of gene pools or the most certain backgrounds.
I find nothing wrong with doing this.
I'm not selling the offspring to people as "quality breeders."
I tell them what I know of the genes and what I don't know for sure.
Usually the people who buy from me don't breed anyway,
But I give them the option, so they can breed if they want.
I am not going to sit here and be a hypocrite, so I won't sell a gecko as "pet only" if I wouldn't keep one as that myself.
The only reasons I have ever sold geckos as "pet only" is because one had a birth defect, and the other was a slow-grower and wasn't warming up to females enough to breed, even when he was healthy and able.
I breed geckos for their phenotypes, and if they have a hidden gene that comes out when I'm breeding them, that's great!
I enjoy having and creating animals with so much genetic potential. And I don't appreciate being HARASSED for it.
I have had many breeders shame me for doing this. I've had one who even harassed me to the point of having to block him from all social media to avoid being yelled at without justification.
I was even dating a breeder who I would get in arguments with about this, but what was ridiculous was he tried to tell me what to breed when I already had plans in progress. I say I like tremper, he says bell is better, etc.
Now people argue that I am "muddying the waters..."
I only have 12 geckos at any given moment. How in blue hell am I going to affect any number of breeders? How am I going to dilute your "oh so special and divine" bloodlines when you won't buy from me? When I'm not even using your lines? I'm providing a nice alternative to people who don't want to buy from pet stores but can't afford top notch breeders.
Now I have to get to the big point of all this. [/FONT]I'm only 17.
I have very little control over anything in my life right now, and I am an inch away from being on the street.
The only thing I have 100% decision making power over is my hobby- my leopard geckos. I know at least two other breeders who are in the same boat as I am, only they have even less control in their lives. I know from experience, when people say they are doing a bad thing by creating life, they feel like giving up. I have personally felt depressed because of being harassed by people I used to look up to that told me "you will never be a pro breeder" and "there's no way people will buy from you."
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I think it'd be cool mixing albino strains. I haven't done it myself (mostly cause I don't much care for bell) but I can only imagine how things would go if everyone started doing it. If every albino was bell het trember, or tremper het rainwater, or even all three mixed into one, you could have an albino powerhouse. If you have a so many strains of albino mixed in one, the odds are their offspring will eventually be all albinos. Now I understand huge amazing breeders like... well I'm not sure if I can name business names so I'll just say Ben and Dave and Matt, want to be, and make it a point to be, absolutely sure of the genetics of their animals. But I don't see why me, little ol Nynecho, has to be 100% sure of my genes and hets and all that. This is my first season. The first pair I bred was a SHTCTB and a Murphey's Patternless. I just wanted to create life, I needed that first pair to be a test run, to know it's possible, to know they're able, and to get experience before I start breeding $200 geckos, so I can make my mistakes now rather than later when I have the money to spend on those and might muck it up.
I witnessed a conversation the other day between one of my friends and this breeder who has been harassing me.
My friend had only two geckos. One bold stripe bell, and one raptor. She is a teenager like me, and she wasn't planning to breed but wouldn't have minded if her geckos decided to make love and babies. And what do ya know, they did. She wasn't prepared because when her leo was pregnant, she asked a bunch of expensive breeders if she was, and while I told her when she was ovulating and when she had eggs in there, these breeders told her she wasn't gravid and that she wasn't ovulating. So she had no clue what to do when these eggs were there. Right from the start she asked me what to do, but before I could answer she grew impatient and started asking these breeders again. The first thing one of them said was "Breeding these geckos was a mistake cause you should never mix the albino strains" What if you were dating someone who wasn't the best looking and he got you pregnant, and even though you loved this guy and were happy you were having a baby, someone told you that you creating life was a mistake.
Just saying this bluntly, people who think they can control the entire population by deciding for others whether they can reproduce or not, are Hitler. That's what Hitler did. That's why I will never tell someone that they are not allowed to breed a gecko I sell them. I can recommend not breeding it if it has a birth defect, or something that would prevent the next generation from being healthy, but I will never tell someone that they cannot create life, or even that they shouldn't. Mostly because I am not who decides what's right and wrong, and these people have as much right to breed their animals as you do. And as I do.
I have every right to do what I want with my animals as you do with yours. If you have the right to breed without ridicule, so do I.
I have created this thread to be a voice for people who don't give a flying frick what the babies will look like, and just breed for fun.
Nobody deserves to be discouraged the way I have seen people do here, and everywhere else on the internet.
This should be a safe place for people to talk about their herps and not feel like they have to conform to your code of ethics.
I will always stand up for people who are being bullied, and I think breeder-bashing is a form of bullying.
I will not just stand by while good people trying to do good things are yelled at by self-riotous people who think their own opinion is the only thing that matters, and that they can make people do what they want them to do, simply because they nobody has told them they're wrong before.
I'm not saying that anyone here is wrong to want pure genetics, or to think what they want, I just hate it when people try to force their beliefs on others, and I see that more in the reptile community than anywhere else. There are facts, and there are opinions.
Mixing a bell and a tremper will not make a deformed, ugly, or sick animal. It will just make something a lot of people don't agree with. Then again though- a lot of people used to interracial relationships were wrong.
Please just stop and think before you make someone feel down in any situation. Cause I'm tired of seeing it.
Your way isn't always the only way.
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I find one that looks nice and pair it with one that has compatible genes and would make nice babies.
I don't breed sick geckos.
I don't breed starving geckos.
I just breed geckos that don't have the strongest of gene pools or the most certain backgrounds.
I find nothing wrong with doing this.
I'm not selling the offspring to people as "quality breeders."
I tell them what I know of the genes and what I don't know for sure.
Usually the people who buy from me don't breed anyway,
But I give them the option, so they can breed if they want.
I am not going to sit here and be a hypocrite, so I won't sell a gecko as "pet only" if I wouldn't keep one as that myself.
The only reasons I have ever sold geckos as "pet only" is because one had a birth defect, and the other was a slow-grower and wasn't warming up to females enough to breed, even when he was healthy and able.
I breed geckos for their phenotypes, and if they have a hidden gene that comes out when I'm breeding them, that's great!
I enjoy having and creating animals with so much genetic potential. And I don't appreciate being HARASSED for it.
I have had many breeders shame me for doing this. I've had one who even harassed me to the point of having to block him from all social media to avoid being yelled at without justification.
I was even dating a breeder who I would get in arguments with about this, but what was ridiculous was he tried to tell me what to breed when I already had plans in progress. I say I like tremper, he says bell is better, etc.
Now people argue that I am "muddying the waters..."
I only have 12 geckos at any given moment. How in blue hell am I going to affect any number of breeders? How am I going to dilute your "oh so special and divine" bloodlines when you won't buy from me? When I'm not even using your lines? I'm providing a nice alternative to people who don't want to buy from pet stores but can't afford top notch breeders.
Now I have to get to the big point of all this. [/FONT]I'm only 17.
I have very little control over anything in my life right now, and I am an inch away from being on the street.
The only thing I have 100% decision making power over is my hobby- my leopard geckos. I know at least two other breeders who are in the same boat as I am, only they have even less control in their lives. I know from experience, when people say they are doing a bad thing by creating life, they feel like giving up. I have personally felt depressed because of being harassed by people I used to look up to that told me "you will never be a pro breeder" and "there's no way people will buy from you."
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I think it'd be cool mixing albino strains. I haven't done it myself (mostly cause I don't much care for bell) but I can only imagine how things would go if everyone started doing it. If every albino was bell het trember, or tremper het rainwater, or even all three mixed into one, you could have an albino powerhouse. If you have a so many strains of albino mixed in one, the odds are their offspring will eventually be all albinos. Now I understand huge amazing breeders like... well I'm not sure if I can name business names so I'll just say Ben and Dave and Matt, want to be, and make it a point to be, absolutely sure of the genetics of their animals. But I don't see why me, little ol Nynecho, has to be 100% sure of my genes and hets and all that. This is my first season. The first pair I bred was a SHTCTB and a Murphey's Patternless. I just wanted to create life, I needed that first pair to be a test run, to know it's possible, to know they're able, and to get experience before I start breeding $200 geckos, so I can make my mistakes now rather than later when I have the money to spend on those and might muck it up.
I witnessed a conversation the other day between one of my friends and this breeder who has been harassing me.
My friend had only two geckos. One bold stripe bell, and one raptor. She is a teenager like me, and she wasn't planning to breed but wouldn't have minded if her geckos decided to make love and babies. And what do ya know, they did. She wasn't prepared because when her leo was pregnant, she asked a bunch of expensive breeders if she was, and while I told her when she was ovulating and when she had eggs in there, these breeders told her she wasn't gravid and that she wasn't ovulating. So she had no clue what to do when these eggs were there. Right from the start she asked me what to do, but before I could answer she grew impatient and started asking these breeders again. The first thing one of them said was "Breeding these geckos was a mistake cause you should never mix the albino strains" What if you were dating someone who wasn't the best looking and he got you pregnant, and even though you loved this guy and were happy you were having a baby, someone told you that you creating life was a mistake.
Just saying this bluntly, people who think they can control the entire population by deciding for others whether they can reproduce or not, are Hitler. That's what Hitler did. That's why I will never tell someone that they are not allowed to breed a gecko I sell them. I can recommend not breeding it if it has a birth defect, or something that would prevent the next generation from being healthy, but I will never tell someone that they cannot create life, or even that they shouldn't. Mostly because I am not who decides what's right and wrong, and these people have as much right to breed their animals as you do. And as I do.
I have every right to do what I want with my animals as you do with yours. If you have the right to breed without ridicule, so do I.
I have created this thread to be a voice for people who don't give a flying frick what the babies will look like, and just breed for fun.
Nobody deserves to be discouraged the way I have seen people do here, and everywhere else on the internet.
This should be a safe place for people to talk about their herps and not feel like they have to conform to your code of ethics.
I will always stand up for people who are being bullied, and I think breeder-bashing is a form of bullying.
I will not just stand by while good people trying to do good things are yelled at by self-riotous people who think their own opinion is the only thing that matters, and that they can make people do what they want them to do, simply because they nobody has told them they're wrong before.
I'm not saying that anyone here is wrong to want pure genetics, or to think what they want, I just hate it when people try to force their beliefs on others, and I see that more in the reptile community than anywhere else. There are facts, and there are opinions.
Mixing a bell and a tremper will not make a deformed, ugly, or sick animal. It will just make something a lot of people don't agree with. Then again though- a lot of people used to interracial relationships were wrong.
Please just stop and think before you make someone feel down in any situation. Cause I'm tired of seeing it.
Your way isn't always the only way.
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