M_surinamensis
Shillelagh Law
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This is a subject that I saw the edge of hinted at in another thread a couple days ago, but cannot recall seeing discussed specifically on this site. It's an interesting subject and something I believe all pet owners (and especially prospective breeders) should be aware of and have considered.
I have some of my own opinions (of course) but I'd like to start with some generalities that define the topic and see what others have to say.
The basic idea goes like this:
In the wild, a lot of reptiles never make it to adulthood and never enter the breeding population. They fall prey to predators, they starve or dehydrate, they do not find sufficient shelter, they are infected by diseases, injured or are simply less successful than the ones which make it. The less obvious ones are generally grouped under the term "failure to thrive." This is a cornerstone of how evolution works (spontaneous mutation and rapid changes are rare), since those successful animals pass along their genes and each subsequent generation is a representation of the strongest and most fit elements of the previous.
In captivity, a lot of the things which make an individual animal successful are radically different than the kinds of things that wild animals face. Hiding from a predator and being an aggressive breeder are less important than nice colors and a docile response to being handled. We, the people who keep the reptiles as pets, impose a new set of standards for genetic success. We completely alter the conditions the animals will experience throughout the course of their life and this redefines what it means to thrive.
The breeding efforts of the animals will still sometimes produce failure to thrive individuals. Incubated properly, kept in ideal conditions, provided with all the necessary things for success but the individual animal shows signs of things which, in the wild, would be a death sentence. Slow feeders, animals which do not grow well even when supplied with ideal nutrition, animals that are prone to illness or injury, despite being cared for properly.
I think everyone will agree that the first step is usually to look for causes, things we can control and manipulate, make sure the environment is correct, take the animal to a veterinarian to check for infections or parasites, make sure it hasn't been exposed to toxins... but failure to thrive cases are distinct from those with reasons we can identify and fix. They are the rare animal that just doesn't do as well as others no matter how well we provide for its needs.
So the questions I'd like to discuss, to hear the opinions of others on (and let's be honest, express my own at some point) are;
At what point do you define failure to thrive? What kind of problems showing up to what degree do you draw the line at?
What do you do with failure to thrive animals? Do you personally take additional measures beyond basic husbandry concerns in order to address their problems or do you allow them to succumb (or euthanize them, so that they do not suffer in the process)? Do you force/assist/tease feed? Do you see a veterinarian for regularly administered supplementary injections? Do you try to work through the problem or do you allow the animal to die?
Do you keep records of potential failure to thrive symptoms?
Does a history of failure to thrive types of issues come into play as you select your breeding stock? (Hint: this question is an obvious trap, only included here so I can yell at someone)
I have some of my own opinions (of course) but I'd like to start with some generalities that define the topic and see what others have to say.
The basic idea goes like this:
In the wild, a lot of reptiles never make it to adulthood and never enter the breeding population. They fall prey to predators, they starve or dehydrate, they do not find sufficient shelter, they are infected by diseases, injured or are simply less successful than the ones which make it. The less obvious ones are generally grouped under the term "failure to thrive." This is a cornerstone of how evolution works (spontaneous mutation and rapid changes are rare), since those successful animals pass along their genes and each subsequent generation is a representation of the strongest and most fit elements of the previous.
In captivity, a lot of the things which make an individual animal successful are radically different than the kinds of things that wild animals face. Hiding from a predator and being an aggressive breeder are less important than nice colors and a docile response to being handled. We, the people who keep the reptiles as pets, impose a new set of standards for genetic success. We completely alter the conditions the animals will experience throughout the course of their life and this redefines what it means to thrive.
The breeding efforts of the animals will still sometimes produce failure to thrive individuals. Incubated properly, kept in ideal conditions, provided with all the necessary things for success but the individual animal shows signs of things which, in the wild, would be a death sentence. Slow feeders, animals which do not grow well even when supplied with ideal nutrition, animals that are prone to illness or injury, despite being cared for properly.
I think everyone will agree that the first step is usually to look for causes, things we can control and manipulate, make sure the environment is correct, take the animal to a veterinarian to check for infections or parasites, make sure it hasn't been exposed to toxins... but failure to thrive cases are distinct from those with reasons we can identify and fix. They are the rare animal that just doesn't do as well as others no matter how well we provide for its needs.
So the questions I'd like to discuss, to hear the opinions of others on (and let's be honest, express my own at some point) are;
At what point do you define failure to thrive? What kind of problems showing up to what degree do you draw the line at?
What do you do with failure to thrive animals? Do you personally take additional measures beyond basic husbandry concerns in order to address their problems or do you allow them to succumb (or euthanize them, so that they do not suffer in the process)? Do you force/assist/tease feed? Do you see a veterinarian for regularly administered supplementary injections? Do you try to work through the problem or do you allow the animal to die?
Do you keep records of potential failure to thrive symptoms?
Does a history of failure to thrive types of issues come into play as you select your breeding stock? (Hint: this question is an obvious trap, only included here so I can yell at someone)