Eclipse?

[dustinNMpythons]

I hatched this girl out in the summer and she is growing so fast but I'm not sure if she is just eclipse or if there is anything else. Parents were het raptor x mack snow enigma het raptor. Any help would be appreciated. :main_thumbsup:

Threw in a picture of my *hopefully* black hole I hatched about a month ago too.
It's sibling took a nip at it's tail but it healed up really quick.

 

[rumbolt]

Looks just eclipse to me but cld be het raptor it will need to be test bred.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

Thanks yeah I didn't mention the 66% possible het part I just didn't know if it had any other visual genes because enigma confuses me sometimes and I don't know what to look for with it.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

What about the other one It's eclipse but am I right in calling it a black hole? I wish there was more guidance on leo morphs I don't know how I would know some of these without this community I've been doing ball pythons a lot longer than geckos and they seem a lot harder to get used to because line breeding plays a lot more important of role than it does in snakes.

 

[rumbolt]

Def no enigma from what I can see in the picture, love your last month hatchling btw!

 

[BrightReptiles]

The bottom picture looks more like a black hole than the first two. A low end copy maybe,if it has ecli9se eyes. Otherwise a Mac snow enigma. Pic one/two look weak eclipse (snake eyes?)

 

[RampantReptiles]

Do you have a pic of the first gecko when it was younger? Definitely Eclipse, maybe more. Baby pic would be best.

The Third pic, male regrown tail. Definitely a MS enigma. I dont think its a Black hole. Not seeing the typical eclipse signs in that one. Could be a het.
May just have to breed to see how it proves out.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

Good call on the last one last time it had black eyes must have been low light I feel like an idiot but yeah checked just now in the light and sure enough no eclipse present. The yellow one is at least eclipse I've checked her eyes many times plus her feet are white and she has a nose spot. She does have around 50% snake eyes. Thanks everyone.

 

[LZRDGRL]

Very pretty leos! :main_yes: :main_yes: Snake-eyed Eclipse and Mack Snow Enigma. The last one has a really nice pattern! :main_thumbsup:

Chrissy

 

[Fran Lhotka]

I am not a specialist on Enigmas but the yellow gecko for me is showing obvious signs of Enigma, like the line border of the tail, small black dots on the tail and 2 marks on the head. My vote is going for Mack Snow Enigma Eclipse...

 

[Kristi23]

The first could be a mack eclipse, but it also might just be a normal eclipse. Hatchling pics help the most when trying to identify them. Both are very nice!

 

[dustinNMpythons]

Thanks Kristi, I'm going to have to start taking hatchling pics I didn't know it was so crucial in identification.