A Few Super Snow Questions

[Airilith]

I have a mack snow female now and a super snow male lined up. I'm not planning on breeding anytime soon, was just pondering some things.

Are snows produced from a snow x super snow pairing generally whiter than they would be from a snow x snow pairing? The hatchlings should be 50% snow and 50% super snow, right?

And finally what would be another good morph to cross to a super snow and why?

Thanks!
Jessica

 

[trizzypballr]

Im not sure about the whitness question but you are correct Super to Mack snow should put you in the ballpark of 50/50. When you say a good morph to cross to the super snow, im guessing you mean what would be the most valuable? If thats what you ment, think about what you see the absolute least of, and go with that;-) Everyone would have told you bells a few months ago, but now im willing to bet that snow bells are probably the most readily available snow out there now.

 

[Airilith]

Im not sure about the whitness question but you are correct Super to Mack snow should put you in the ballpark of 50/50. When you say a good morph to cross to the super snow, im guessing you mean what would be the most valuable? If thats what you ment, think about what you see the absolute least of, and go with that;-) Everyone would have told you bells a few months ago, but now im willing to bet that snow bells are probably the most readily available snow out there now.

I didn't mean the more valuable, just personal preferences really. I was really just looking for some ideas. And this is definitely the best place to get some really awesome suggestions!

 

[ze-bu-lon]

You can cross everything with a super snow but you have to know that you will produce only snow
crossing it with others het morph coul be great for the next crosses
super snow x albinos
super snow x patternless
crossing it with SHT or HT will give you as i do some great hypo snow ( ghost )
crossing it with RAPTOR could be new , but the best to do is super snow albi or het albi x Raptor
crossing it with enigma could be awsome but here too, the best to do is super snow albi x enigma

my english is not really good but i try my best

 

[okapi]

mack giants and mack blazing blizzards are my future projects

 

[Airilith]

mack giants and mack blazing blizzards are my future projects

What do mack blazing blizzards look like?

I was thinking about getting a blizzard. Personally I wanted a midnight blizzard, but I've heard that there's no 'midnight' gene to pass on.

 

[okapi]

blazing blizzards are albino blizzards. They have albino eyes and less of a yellow or grey body color. Midnight blizzards are still not fully understood. One reason being because blizzards can change their color from light to dark when stressed. So it is hard to prove as a trait or not.

Edit: oh.. mack blazings. they hatch out with more of a whiter color and redder eyes Ive heard. the super form would be patternless, solid white, and with solid red eyes.

 

[Airilith]

So does anyone know about mack snows from a super snow cross being whiter than those from a mack snow cross?

 

[trizzypballr]

honestly, i have no clue on that, i have macks from SS to mack crosses, I will let you know my findings on that once they get alittle bigger

 

[Airilith]

honestly, i have no clue on that, i have macks from SS to mack crosses, I will let you know my findings on that once they get alittle bigger

Thanks!

I just thought it kind of made sense. When you line breed snows you breed the whitest to the whitest to get whiter. And super snows are whiter, therefore logically macks from SS's should be whiter. Though genetics and logic sometimes don't go hand-in-hand.

 

[trizzypballr]

the only thing i wasnt sure of though, is the fact that the super version obviously "overrides" the mack snows colors. You can have to poopy looking mack snows, and still produce a SS that is white with black spots, so honestly im not sure

 

[Stitch]

When you line breed snows you breed the whitest to the whitest to get whiter. And super snows are whiter, therefore logically macks from SS's should be whiter. Though genetics and logic sometimes don't go hand-in-hand.

You are right "genetics and logic sometimes don't go hand-in-hand". Line bred snows are different from Mack snows. As you said LB snows are from breeding the whitest colored geckos to other white colored geckos, hence the term LINE BRED. Mack snows have a dominant trait. Most Mack snows lose their white coloration as they age, where as the SS does not. So far no one has claimed that breeding a SS to a MS will produce whiter MS. I think that if you wanted to do that you would have to breed them to some LB snows or pick out the whitest pair of MS and breed them together. Then continue on as if they were LB snows to try to achieve white MS adults.

 

[Airilith]

That's a good point. I never really thought about it like that. It would be cool to do a study on it. It would be alot of work trying to limit the variables though.

Here comes the science geek.

I guess you would have to have a mack female, and two related males (one mack and one super). The first year breed the female to male A and picture catalog the mack offspring. Then the next year breed the female to male B and compare. Or maybe get related females and do it all the same year. That would make comparing the offspring easier, but the difference in females (in the males as well) is a slight variable too though. Comparing pictures would cause a small variable too. Cameras can really mess with colors sometimes.

Hmmmm. I don't know. Something fun to ponder though.

 

[trizzypballr]

the little difference woulnt matter. Line Breeding works wierd, as im sure you have seen with tangerines. You can get a smoking tang and then a low end tang from the same pairing, its just how line breeding works. There isnt just 1 allele with line breeding, there are multiple ones, some get passed some dont, its just luck of the draw. Im sure you would get alot better definition from a dictionary on line breeding than what I can give you, but hopefully you understand it alittle better now.

 

[trizzypballr]

Actually on dictionary.com it says something alittle different, but to the same aspect. Another word for line bred traits are polygenic traits, when searching for that, i got bumped to quantitative gene (another word for polygenic) and thats where I found this definition.

Any of a group of nonallelic genes, each having a small quantitative effect, that together produce a wide range of phenotypic variation. Also called multiple factor, quantitative gene.


It pretty much states the same thing I said except for it being non allele genes.

 

[Airilith]

Hmmm I wasn't talking about line breeding, but thanks for the definition anyway.

I was talking about studying 'whiteness' differences in macks when produced from SS vs. macks. I just thought it would be interesting. I know line breeding works differently, but I thought maybe there would be a difference.

 

[trizzypballr]

you have to line breed to produce whiter macks is the point

 

[Kotsay1414]

you have to line breed to produce whiter macks is the point

Albey's Mack Snow x Fasciolatus is a great example... http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=3825