Abyssinian

[lizmander]

Hi! I bought an eclipse male het for abyssinian and didn't really think to make any use of that (bought him for the giant genes). However I read more afterwards and found out he can give 50% abs when crossed with a tremper albino (non het abyssinian). Is this really the case? I will breed him with a sunglow and snow raptor.

So did I get it right: it's the same as if I had bought a male het for tremper albino (no black on the body and red vein lines) BUT the eclipse and snake-eyes will be black, not ruby? :main_huh:
(And perhaps slightly different body markings?)

 

[Tony C]

Hi! I bought an eclipse male het for abyssinian and didn't really think to make any use of that (bought him for the giant genes). However I read more afterwards and found out he can give 50% abs when crossed with a tremper albino (non het abyssinian). Is this really the case? I will breed him with a sunglow and snow raptor.

No it is not, an Abyssinian is just a variation of Eclipse and Abyssinian x Tremper will create normals, stripes, reverse stripes, and patternless stripes het for Eclipse and Tremper albino. I did an extensive series of test crosses with an Abyssinian this year and proved them to be Eclipses.

So did I get it right: it's the same as if I had bought a male het for tremper albino (no black on the body and red vein lines) BUT the eclipse and snake-eyes will be black, not ruby? :main_huh:
(And perhaps slightly different body markings?)

Normally it would work that way if Abyssinian was a genetic trait distinct from Eclipse, but it is not. The information given by the original breeder is in error.

 

[Quantumhigh]

Really interesting Tony I did not know this. So just to make sure I read this right. Abys are just a unique looking or line-breed eclipse nothing more?

 

[Tony C]

Really interesting Tony I did not know this. So just to make sure I read this right. Abys are just a unique looking or line-breed eclipse nothing more?

That is correct. They do seem to consistently produce lighter offspring and may be a hypomelanistic variation, but they are genetically Eclipses. My crosses of Abyssinian x RAPTOR and x Eclipse yielded 100% Eclipses, Abyssinian x Patternless Stripe het Eclipse and Tremper yielded a mix of Eclipses and Stripe/Reverse Stripe/Patternless Stripe, and Abyssinian x Tremper yielded 100% Stripe/Reverse Stripe/Patternless Stripe.

 

[Quantumhigh]

Awesome bit of info. Excellent work on tests breeding this out, hats off to you.

 

[lizmander]

Thank you for the good answer! I was really somewhat confused. So just to further clarify a bit, this
"Ab crossed to an Tremper Albino gives all Abs - het for albino"
you're saying it is not true ever, or it may be true but only when they are also eclipse?

And further, in this case of eclipse het abyssinian male times sunglow and snow raptor there might be some "abyssinians" with the raptor female but not with the sunglow? And with the raptor the chances are probably not really 50-50 since it is line-bred?

Thanks!

 

[Tony C]

Thank you for the good answer! I was really somewhat confused. So just to further clarify a bit, this
"Ab crossed to an Tremper Albino gives all Abs - het for albino"
you're saying it is not true ever, or it may be true but only when they are also eclipse?

And further, in this case of eclipse het abyssinian male times sunglow and snow raptor there might be some "abyssinians" with the raptor female but not with the sunglow? And with the raptor the chances are probably not really 50-50 since it is line-bred?

Thanks!

An Abyssinian crossed to a Tremper albino will only produce double hets, you will not get any "Abyssinians" from the cross unless the Tremper is also het Eclipse.

Your "Eclipse het Abyssinian" is deceptively labeled. Abyssinians are Eclipses, if it is a visual Eclipse it can not also be a het. This would be like someone labeling their gecko a Sunglow het Tremper albino, such a thing simply isn't possible.

An Abyssinian crossed to a Snow RAPTOR will produce 100% Eclipses, about half will also be snows, and if the Abyssinian is het Tremper albino some will be Albino Eclipses (RAPTOR) and snow RAPTORs.

Abyssinian x Sunglow will have the same results as an Abyssinian x Tremper (i.e. 100% double hets) but the offspring are likely to also show some Tangerine influence.

If this is all too confusing just forget the word "Abyssinian" and replace it in your mind with "Eclipse", they are one and the same.

 

[lizmander]

Ok, thanks. The rest of the genetics was clear, just this abyssinian wasn't.

He has one visual snake-eye but not the red veins, I guess that's why he was sold as "het". Anyhow he comes from abyssinian bloodlines.

I guess I won't be expecting anything from this gene (as I wasn't when buying the male) but if there occurred red veins with the ms raptor female, then one might or might not want to call it an abyssinian :blank:

 

[Jordan]

only call it abbysinian if its homozygous eclipse...