Albino Eyes

[KnECritters]

Can anyone tell from these pictures what strain of albino these two girls are?

Albino 1:

Albino 2:

These 2 pics I used flash, to bring out the red:

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I'm gonna say Tremper on both.

 

[KnECritters]

Really? I really can't see any red in the pupils whatsoever. Hmm..

 

[KnECritters]

Also, it seems from what I've been reading, a tremper patternless is pretty rare. 1 out of 100 babies born from the patternlessXtremper albinos have been patternless trempers. Rainwater albinos seem to be what is working with the patternless genes. Haven't found anything on bell patternless though.

Another question. I'll be getting a blizzard male, and I'll probably breed that patternless girl to him, would this potentially create blazing blizzards?

 

[yellermelon]

Look tremper..Let me ask this as it may help...Where did you aquire these geckos? Tremper patty X Tremper patty =100% tremper patty babies. Not extremlly rare...

 

[THE WHISPERER]

Tremper Patty's aren't rare at all, but breeding a Patternless to a Tremper Albino will only get you hets. So with that pairing you won't get any Patternless Albinos.

 

[KnECritters]

Everywhere I've read, it's said that the tremper gene doesn't work so well with the patternless gene, and the most common albino patternless is rainwater, but the eyes being so red, I really don't think she's rainwater either...but I've never heard of a bell patty either.

These two I got for free from someone downsizing. They really didn't know either. I've got pics of their pupils that I'll upload later. No red in the pupils, another reason I think not tremper. Could I ask WHY you all think Tremper? Maybe it will help me understand a bit more.

Sorry if it seems I'm asking for advice, then attacking. I just think I've ruled out tremper, for several reasons, mostly the pupil thing.

 

[THE WHISPERER]

Everywhere I've read, it's said that the tremper gene doesn't work so well with the patternless gene

It's the bell gene that doesnt work well with the patty's that why you don't see them (Yet)

 

[KnECritters]

Yes, I know that, but I've also read that creating a tremper albino patty by crossing a patty het tremper to tremper het patty, is difficult. I can't find the sites now that I read this on, but still searching.

Also, no ruby pupils, would this not rule out trempers?

 

[KnECritters]

Here's the link: http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm#pattalbino

 

[bluevapor]

pattys

arent APTORS patternless albino trempers?

 

[KnECritters]

Hmm...yeah. According to this: http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=APTOR

I didn't know that. Either way, no red pupils on my two girls.

 

[Nigel4less]

arent APTORS patternless albino trempers?

No, Thats Ron Trempers Line Bred Patternless, not the Murphy's Patternless...

(Ridiculous, Trust me I know... :main_yes

 

[KnECritters]

Gah...these morphs are kicking my butt...lol

 

[KnECritters]

Just to show there is NO red in the pupils...
Female 1:

Female 2:

 

[THE WHISPERER]

Here's the link: http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm#pattalbino

Also, it seems from what I've been reading, a tremper patternless is pretty rare. 1 out of 100 babies born from the patternlessXtremper albinos have been patternless trempers. Rainwater albinos seem to be what is working with the patternless genes.

the copy right on that link is from 2002-2004 so him saying that they are rare doesn't quite apply now. the part on getting one out of a couple hundred I think was misunderstood. He stated that when talking to breeders they said that it seamed as if they only got one out of a couple hundred to be a patternless albino from pairing double hets, when in fact your odds are 1 in 16. I don't doubt that Steve if he says rainwaters are more likely than trempers, but once again those were odds with double hets. Your odds are going to be a lot better when using 2 pattys het for tremper or 2 patty albinos than using double hets. I have a pair of pattys that are het tremper and I get almost a 50/50 of patternless and patternless albinos.hope this helps clear that up.

 

[Lottiz]

I have lots of Murphy patternless tremper and they can show red pupilles as hatchlings but you can't often see it on adults. But you can easily see the red och redish brown venes in the eyes on the albinos. I think they are both trempers.

Here is pics on my Murphey patternless tremper albino male:

Murphy patternless tremper (but mack snow)

this female are preadult. Here you can se a hint of red:

the same one but older:

This is a hatchling and it looks black but she is a tremper patternless anyway.

My avatar is a MS murphy patternless tremper albino. (Mack or not, the eyes are the same).

And the same one as adult:

Here is non albino murphy patternless, just to compare with. greyish on body. No red venes.

and a mack snow patternless hatchling, (Non albino)

And about your tremper. it's the same dark trempers have darker eyes.

This is a tremper female

another dark one

and another

But they can look like this too

or like this

or this light one with red pupill

As you can see they vary alot!

 

[fallen_angel]

Looks Tremper to me

 

[desertgecko]

I'm not experienced to say either way, but I had the same questions with my patty albino. She was sold to me as a Tremper Patternless but I too had read that they were more likely to be RW's then Trempers so got confused. Her pupils look black, but if I shine a torch or turn on the room lights when the tank lights are off (so her eyes a big) then you can see they glow red. So I'm confident she's a Tremper. I'll find out soon hopefully as she's due to lay eggs from my RAPTOR male

Here's a pic of here soon after I bought her. You can see the red veins, but even though her pupil looks black, it is just a dark red.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

They both look to be Trempers. They would only have red pupils as babies.

Tremper Patternless Albinos used to be considered more rare than Rainwaters. Once they were produced, that was no longer true.

To help avoid some confusion, maybe try refering to the Aptor`s pattern as "Patternless Stripe", or "Patternless Designer"?? Just plain "Patternless" will still work for the Murphy`s then. I know it started with Ron`s use of the word patternless, but at least we can try to straighten this thing out for the future. LOL