Albino with black eyes?

[Josh P.]

Is it possible for a Tremper Albino with solid eyes to have black eyes or they are always red?

 

[getkos]

i think its different with each tremper albino but from what ive read on here that they tend to be more silver with redish lines and usually more noticeable as they get older. i hope this helps answer your question

 

[Limited Exotic]

Are you sure they're not just dark ruby instead of black?
possible a picture of the gecko?

 

[CharmedMom]

I've always been told that albinos have no black pigment on their bodies or eyes.
Usually the eyes can look/appear to be black but if you hold them up to a light you will see the red.

 

[Treefolk]

Albinism is defined as the inability to produce melanin and lacking pigment. Therefor it is impossible for any albino of any species of any animal to have black eyes.

 

[Josh P.]

So for example how can we distinguish a Super Snow Tremper from a Super Snow Tremper Eclipse?

 

[tb144050]

So for example how can we distinguish a Super Snow Tremper from a Super Snow Tremper Eclipse?

When you are dealing with morphs that have that random "eclipse-looking" eye trait (like with the blizzards' eye mutation), you have to prove the actual true "eclipse-gene" is present by:

1) genetically PROVING the eclipse-gene is "double-recessive" by testbreeding with another eclipse Leo to prove that ALL the hatchlings are truly eclipse (double-recessive)........or....

2) Ensuring BOTH parents are TRUE-eclipse-gene "double-recessive" (which means the parents have to be proven previously as in step 1, above).
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With blizzards it is tricky because looks can be deceiving. They randomly have eyes that look eclipse, but you never know if they carry the double-recessive eclipse gene unless you do the work or have the histories...

As for the "Tremper with Black eyes" question: I saw your post earlier today and I was thinking the same as others have posted...but I am new and was waiting to see if someone said it was possible. I have been using the general rule: albinos have either red veins or red solid eyes (or a combination...."snake eyes"...partially solid red & red veins). The only difference is whether a form of "eclipse" is active or not....but generally, I assume that whatever eyes it has, an albino should have red there.

So i also assume that "eclipse-looking" eyes (like blizzards that don't even have eclipse genes) should not be red unless they are tremper...

Vice versa... I assume that a blizzard, whether eclipse-gene or just eclipse-looking, eyes should be red if it is tremper...never a "tremper with black eclipse-looking eyes."

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Albino eyes are so dark sometimes, the only way I can ensure their eyes are red is to:

-get a digital camera on the same vertical level as their eyes
-take a few closeup pics WITH the flash on
-zoom in on the computer
-the flash accentuates the red-eye reflection.

 

[tb144050]

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^^albino with "eclipse" solid eyes in the right lighting/flash. Under "normal" house lighting, their eyes look black.

 

[Limited Exotic]

looks rubyred to me

 

[Josh P.]

So for example how can we distinguish a Super Snow Tremper from a Super Snow Tremper Eclipse?

Does some know this?

 

[tb144050]

Does some know this?

As far as I know, Snows and SuperSnows do not have "random eclipse-looking" eyes (like the blizzards randomly do). So if your snow or supersnow has "solid" or "partially solid" (aka snake-eyes) eyes, then it is called eclipse. If there is red veins or the solid-parts are red, then it is also tremper.

 

[Josh P.]

As far as I know, Snows and SuperSnows do not have "random eclipse-looking" eyes (like the blizzards randomly do). So if your snow or supersnow has "solid" or "partially solid" (aka snake-eyes) eyes, then it is called eclipse. If there is red veins or the solid-parts are red, then it is also tremper.

Actually Super Snows do have solid eyes just like the Eclipse, and that's why I asked my question above.

 

[tb144050]

Actually Super Snows do have solid eyes just like the Eclipse, and that's why I asked my question above.

Ahhhhh. Sorry. As mentioned in my post above, I am still learning. I wasn't sure if they have random eye-mutations.

But the same things applies: If they LOOK like "eclipse", you will only know if it is truly "genetically eclipse" if you
1) test breed it or
2) KNOW that the parents were both 100% eclipse-GENE (not eclipse-lookalike).

 

[stager]

Some albino eclipses have such dark red eyes they just appear black.

 

[WLG_KD]

So for example how can we distinguish a Super Snow Tremper from a Super Snow Tremper Eclipse?

Technically a SS Tremper Eclipse would be the albino version of a Galaxy (or Total Eclipse, or whatever other name you want to call it), and I'd think it *could* show the same traits as a normal Super Snow Eclipse - white on the nose, high white sides, white legs, white tail tip, caused by the eclipse gene to varying degrees depending on the animal.

THAT being said, if those markers are not present and you still suspect Eclipse at play, then you'd breed it out.

From Leopard Gecko Wiki:
"One of the key traits which makes a Super Snow a Super Snow is the eclipsed eye. In the non albino version, the Mack Super Snows have two solid black eyes, seen at the right. In the albino versions, the Mack Super Snow eyes tend to vary from red to a deep ruby red."

So, according to that, even without Eclipse at play a SS Tremper Albino would have red eyes, varying in depth and hue.


If it helps, I've got a Mack Snow RAPTOR girl whose eyes look absolutely black UNLESS you turn her facing the light at a very particular angle, and then you can see they are the color of a dark garnet. Unfortunately, I can never actually get a picture showing that color.

I hope that was helpful!

 

[SCGeckos]

Does some know this?

On high quality SSTE there will be visible markers. For instance, a white nose or "white face" that in some cases can extend quite a ways up the face. "White sox" or white feet and likely legs. White tail tip that can range in amount. They will basically look like someone took an eraser and went to different sections of the animals body and erased everything in that area. All this being said, this look can range drastically depending on the quality of the animal and in some cases may need to be tested to prove out the genetics.

 

[Josh P.]

Technically a SS Tremper Eclipse would be the albino version of a Galaxy (or Total Eclipse, or whatever other name you want to call it), and I'd think it *could* show the same traits as a normal Super Snow Eclipse - white on the nose, high white sides, white legs, white tail tip, caused by the eclipse gene to varying degrees depending on the animal.

On high quality SSTE there will be visible markers. For instance, a white nose or "white face" that in some cases can extend quite a ways up the face. "White sox" or white feet and likely legs. White tail tip that can range in amount. They will basically look like someone took an eraser and went to different sections of the animals body and erased everything in that area. All this being said, this look can range drastically depending on the quality of the animal and in some cases may need to be tested to prove out the genetics.

That's great info right there guys. That's exactly what I was asking. Thank you both. So if those markers are present like the all white legs and tail tip it's guaranteed that the eclipse gene is present?

Also, would that gecko be considered a Super Raptor? Since it's Super Snow, Tremper and Eclipse.

 

[Ac26]

It looks like a raptor to me

 

[Josh P.]

It looks like a raptor to me

I wasn't asking about the photo in this thread but if all SS Tremper Eclipse can be considered Super Raptor.