Any advice?

[lizard-king]

I have a mate who was lucky enough to have a male Snow Enigma bought for him at the daytona show. I live in the UK so he got this shipped over and he is a cracker.. Question is though what pairing would produce more Enigmas? I have snows and so does he would that be a good pairing? He also has a good few Bell Albinos as well.. Im still very new to the Enigma so if there is anyone out there who has bred this morph and produced Enigmas what was your pairings?

Thanks

 

[Ipsl]

From what I gather enigmas make enigmas only

 

[lizard-king]

So breeding the Male Snow Enigma to any morph will only yeild Enigmas. And as there is no Het for Enigma other offspring will just be a buy-prodct to what genes the female is carrying?

 

[rhino43grr]

i don't think it will produce enigmas unless you breed it to another enigma.

 

[supperl]

exactl. if its a heterzygopt Enigma you will get 50/50 Enigmas and reast(depends on what you Geckos are) and if its homozygot Enigma you would get 100% Enigma but dude it won´t be a homozygot one^^

€ Greg so far Enigma seems to be dominant. So pairing an Enigma to something other will give Enigmas but if it is 50% or 100% depends on the Engima(I personally don´t think their are homozygot Enigmas out their)
For Example, lets say the a Albino and a het Albino looks all the same but one is het the other is homo. So if you pair a het to a normal you will have 50% chance to get hets. That´s the same way with the Enigmas.

 

[Ipsl]

I'm sorry what I meant was to get more Enigmas you need another enigma. The whole enigma genetic make up is still up in the air from what I gather so you might get a bunch of different things; speckled, hypos hybinos, I'm not sure. Breeders aren't sure what type of genetic traits we're dealing with so its hard to say.. like are the co recessive genes which alle there in (sp).... all that stuff that I don't understand yet about genetics.

 

[lizard-king]

Right so if his Enigma is a het,breeding to any female will produce 50/50 split of enigmas?

 

[supperl]

As far as I know producing an Enigma is as easy as pairing an Enigma to something else. Thats why it is easy to produce the het Albino Enigmas or the Mack Snow Enigmas. Cause you just have to pair them with an Albino to get hets or with a MSS to get MS Enigmas. The thing is on this way wou have a big amount of nonenigmas if you are luckless^^

 

[lizard-king]

If bred to any female you basically have a 1/16 chance of actually producing an Enigma? The rest are just by-products then..

 

[supperl]

at least a 50/50 chance how do you come to 1:16? Thats double het like normal het patty and Albino^^

 

[lizard-king]

I dont know what I was thinkin with that one mate..lol

Thanks though for all your advice. Its pretty clear there is a massive black hole in my knowledge of genetics. :main_yes:

 

[paulnj]

mack enigma X mack willing give you...

normal 12.5%
enigma 12.5%
snow 25%
snow enigma 25%
SS 12.5%
SS enigma 12.5%

or atleast those are the odds

SS X mack enigma... now we're talking.

mack snow 25%
mack snow enigma 25%
SS 25%
SS enigma 25%

 

[mark97r1]

The Enigma gene is generally agreed on as being a dominant gene.
This means if the gecko carries either 1 or both enigma genes it would still look like an enigma.

So to save confusion i will pair to a normal wild type leo.
Some enigmas when paired to the WT will give 100% enigma offspring because they are homozygous for enigma (carry 2 enigma genes).
Some enigmas will give 50% enigma and 50% WT. This is because they are hetrozygous for enigma (carry 1 enigma gene) Technically these leos are het enigma, but because enigma is a dominant trait het show the mutation.
Like Macks snows are het but they still express the mutation because the gene has a dominance, co-dominant in this case so the homozygous takes the mutation a step further and results in the SS.

I would expect a Mack enigma to only carry 1 gene as you would think it came from a mack/SS x enigma pairing. Though this may not be the case, if you dont know the parantage of your leo i would assume him to be hetrozygous, a homozygous enigma is a real bonus.

Paulnj got the numbers spot on for your outcomes.
A SS Bell would be a great option.

I am in the Uk also so if your engima ever gets lonley at night drop me a PM and i will arrange an escort for him. Got some cracking girls that could show him a good time. Lol.

Mark