Aptor and Raptor eye traits?

[Ian S.]

The other day Jeanne and I met up, and were talking about the aptors and raptors. I have heard the theory,many times, that the eye traits snake eye, and raptors, were thought to be created when breeding stripe x reverse stripe. Has this been proven? One would think that the eye traits would have nothing to do with the body patterns, rather than having their own genetic make up. What ever that may be? Keep in mind I'm a huge noobie when it comes to genetics. LOL... but I'm trying.
A little something to dwell on as food for the soal. "I wish I could remember where this thread was posted".
Remember the discussion a while ago about Ron Tremper and his 16x hets. Well... I'm sure blizzards were in that mix somewhere and as we all know blizzards and snake eyes / solid colored eyes seem to go hand in hand.
I wondered what everyone else's thoughts may be?

 

[Gazz]

I'm not sure where this fits in you question but i have a super hypo tangerine with snake eye that has NO APTOR or striped gene in her as far as i'm awhere she was bred by my self.I still have the dad-(whitch is SHTCT) standed not striped mum was-(hypo tangerine) not striped.the leo in question she has one-quarter snake eye in one eye and three-quarter snake eye in the other.
I'll sort some pic's of dad and kid later .

 

[SaSobek]

well that is a very good thought. but its not the case in this point. the red eye trait has been reprodused by useiing animals that are not from the same line as the Raptors by at least 2 different breeders (A&M Gecko and Groove geckos) they think it is from stripe to reverse stripe showing up on the same animal and then breeding them back together its like the first generation you get the paternless animals and then the 2nd gereration you get the raptor/eclipse traits.

as for the 16x animals the blizzard is not one of the traits. the blizzard trait was not added to Trempers collection intill after he hatched his first raptor. up intill just recently Tremper says that he did add anything to his collection but in the past few years im sure there have been some additions of major morphs. i know the blizzard is one of them. the others im sure he will show us soon

as far as the raptor/eclipse and the weird eyed blazzing blizzard being the same trait i will let you know soon. test breedings are being conducted right now so far i have 4 babies that have hatched and more in the incubator.

 

[okapi]

many people call the non-albino version "patternless stripe." There is alot of evidence that points to "patternless stripes" being the base for the APTOR project.

Firstly, some breeders have bred stripes to reverse stripes and gotten leos that look identical to aptors, except that they are not albino.

When these "patternless stripes" were bred to aptors, they produced aptors, patternless stripes, and eclipse offspring.

In RT's book, in the chapter where he describes how he created the RAPTOR/APTOR you find out the genetic makeup of the morphs. He claims that a new genetic patternless trait poped out of his breeding colony. He used this as the base for his patternless albino orange (later called APTOR) project. RT has the largest colony of stripes/reverse stripes, so its no wonder that he would of crossed the two to see that they cancel eachother out leaving no pattern. He started with some female patternless stripes and bred in the carrot head, carrot tail, tangerine, jungle, and albino traits. So he had a bunch of randomly patterned orange het albino and albino geckos which he bred togeather to get the patternless stripe trait to come out again (it acts recessive to the jungle trait). He ended that season with one male aptor and abunch of all the other traits. The next season he bred that aptor to all the females related to it and hatched out some aptors and some raptors. That is how the eclipse gene came about.

So, since patternless stripes that are not from RT's aptor line as well as his aptors can produce eclipses it is believed that they are the same.

im intrested in this 16 het thread, can anyone find it?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Ian, yes it is like we thought, that "APTOR", and Patternless Red Stripes are the same thing.

This is an APTOR X PRS pictured. Just like in the APTOR project, only "Patternless" and Reverse Stripes resulted from this breeding.

You can breed PRS to RAPTOR, or PRS to PRS, and get solid/snake eyes also.

I had actually tried to let everyone know this awhile back http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=2946&highlight=Patternless+Stripe

 

[eyelids]

im intrested in this 16 het thread, can anyone find it?

I can't believe it's still on the first page! :main_laugh:

the AMAZING (so called) 16X het

 

[Gazz]

I'm not sure where this fits in you question but i have a super hypo tangerine with snake eye that has NO APTOR or striped gene in her as far as i'm awhere she was bred by my self.I still have the dad-(whitch is SHTCT) standed not striped mum was-(hypo tangerine) not striped.the leo in question she has one-quarter snake eye in one eye and three-quarter snake eye in the other.
I'll sort some pic's of dad and kid later .

Here's my super hypo tangerine female with her snake eye type eyes the bit brighter male last picture is dad.