APTOR male x APTOR het female offspring

[Gecko Quest]

Hello everyone. I hatched out my first two eggs of the year last weekend. They are the offspring of an APTOR male and a het APTOR female. I snapped a quick photo of one of the babies out in natural light. I couldn't get the colors right indoors. I don't know if the baby is an APTOR or not. How can I tell if it is an APTOR? Do I have to wait until the adult colors come in to know for sure?

I know the photo is not the greatest. I'll try to take some better quality photos of the two hatchlings this week.

Thank you.

 

[okapi]

Looks like a reduced pattern. Could hypo out to become an APTOR, but most people like for them to hatch out patternless.

 

[Gecko Quest]

Thanks Okapi. I'm sure I'll be posting many more offspring photos from this pair in the next few months.

 

[marula]

thew pic is really nice and the gecko is stunning!

 

[Gecko Quest]

Thank you marula.

Here are a couple more photos of the APTOR x het APTOR offspring. They are fast little screamers.

This is another shot of the above gecko.

Clutchmate to above gecko.

 

[Nigel4less]

Thats a stunning gecko if it was brighter it would`ve blinded me lol

 

[Gecko Quest]

Thank you Nigel. Here is another one that hatched out last night from a different mother. This little girl's clutch mate should be out this morning.

APTOR x Tremper Albino

 

[Leopardgeckopunk]

The last pic is great. Have you hatched any Raptors?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

There is really no such thing as a "reduced pattern", it is a name one breeder used to try to describe Aptors which are not without a pattern. Well it makes no sense, because there are very few trully "Patternless" Aptors, anyways. Lets not ad to the confusion, and stick to the names of the morphs.

Yes they are "Patternless Stripes"(Aptor). They do not all hatch without pattern. They can be any "pattern", and some of them just have a dotted, dashed, look to them. Basically just aberrancies to the normal patterns we would see.

 

[Gecko Quest]

Leopardgeckopunk,

Thank you. I have not hatched out any RAPTORs. I just have two breeding groups of geckos at the moment. I have a group of SHTB and SHTCB in one group. My second group consists of an APTOR male, Het APTOR female, and a Tremper albino. I may branch out into some of those red eyed beauties this year. We'll see...

Groovygeckos.com,

Thank you for the information. So the above geckos would simply be called het APTORs? Will the APTOR offspring look noticeably different?

Thank you.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Oh no, they can be considered Aptor, or Patternless Stripe Albinos. I meant they are pretty much the same thing.

Pay close attention to your Aptor/Het Aptor pair, these types have produced Raptors for alot of breeders. We have found that the "Patternless Red Stripes" also make "Raptors" without any Raptor genes.

Ron Tremper says that his Aptor project "unlocked"(his words) the Eclipse/Ruby Eyed trait. I very much agree with that, but for some reason not the word unlocked.

They actually have fairly complex genetics. We think that there is a co-dominant/recessive relationship between all of the patterning genes, and the Eclipse eye trait. They seem to act as simple recessives on their own, meaning you can have "het" for Jungle/Stripe, Reverse Stripe, Patternless Stripe, or Eclipse. When you breed them together though, they "unlock" new traits. If you follow the "history" of the Leopard Gecko patterning traits, it went like this.

Jungle>Stripe>Reverse Stripe Then Ron found the "Aptor" gene, and from that came the Eclipse.

It is sort of funny, but the very next year Alberto and myself(not working together in any way) both "founded" the Patternless Stripes, from breeding Reverse Stripes and Red Stripes together. More recently, like I mentioned, those did produce Eclipse/Raptor when bred together. We "founded" the Aptor, pretty much! :main_laugh:

I have a feeling that Red Stripes may also make "Patternless" types, all on their own, because I have seen some RS that look like them, but don`t know if anyone has bred two together yet. Anyone?

 

[Gecko Quest]

Groovygeckos.com,

Thank you very much for the detailed response. I originally picked up the APTOR and Het APTOR simply because I liked them so much. I was really unaware of all the possibilities with the genetics.

I have one last question for you. I want to make sure I'm straight on this. The last photo is the offspring of an APTOR male crossed with a plain old albino Tremper female. She doesn't have anything special other than being an albino Tremper. Can the offspring be APTORs even though only one parent is an APTOR? I guess I'm still stuck on viewing APTOR as a recessive type gene where both parents have to have the gene for the offspring to have that trait. I'm not new to simple recessive, dominant, and codominant genes. I'm also handy with punnet squares. I'm just unsure of how the APTOR stuff works. I don't want to sell babies down the road and misrepresent something.

Thanks again. I really appreciate your input.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

No problem. Yes it seems that you can get Patternless Stripe types from breeding them back to any of the other patterns.