bell & rainwater aptor ??

[boutiquegecko]

I've not followed too much on the aptor/raptor as of yet-it just seems mind boggling sometimes. But from what I gather we need a patternless bell before we can start making a bell version of aptor and then raptor? Or a rev stripe bell? The same for rainwaters too?
I'm just trying to figure out since they are different albino strains how what you would need to get the aptor/raptor for those strains. I tried looking for a discussion on this, not sure if there has been one-if so can someone please post the link?

 

[giantkeeper]

I stand corrected, thanks Dan.............

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

No because a Hybino is a normally banded Hypo, a "Aptor" is a Patternless Stripe with some linbred Hypo influence. They are not one in the same or even related, IMO.

There ARE projects in the works to make that pattern on Bells and Rainwaters though.

 

[eyelids]

Buy an Eclipse 66% het Tremper, breed to a Tremper to prove it out... If it's not a het you are half way there. Breed Eclipse to Stripe Bell or Rainwater females... Breed hets back to each other and pray to the gecko gods! You could also go the Patternless Stripe route, but that'd probably take longer.

 

[Gazz]

Is't all that's needed is a striped bell X reverse striped bell = APBOR :main_laugh: along with bell striped/jungles'etc ? OR striped rainwater X reverse striped rainwater = APROR :main_laugh: along with rainwater striped/jungles'etc.And if it is as groovyGeckos beleaves that eclipse gene is linked to patternless striped ? somthing like that ? it should result in maybe next generation ? giving you RAPBOR :main_laugh: & RAPROR :main_laugh: .

(R)uby eyed (A)lbino (p)atternless (B)ell (OR)ange :main_laugh: .
(R)uby eyed (A)lbino (P)atternless (R)ainwater (OR)ange :main_laugh: .

 

[BalloonzForU]

Is't all that's needed is a striped bell X reverse striped bell = APBOR :main_laugh: along with bell striped/jungles'etc ? OR striped rainwater X reverse striped rainwater = APROR :main_laugh: along with rainwater striped/jungles'etc.And if it is as groovyGeckos beleaves that eclipse gene is linked to patternless striped ? somthing like that ? it should result in maybe next generation ? giving you RAPBOR :main_laugh: & RAPROR :main_laugh: .

(R)uby eyed (A)lbino (p)atternless (B)ell (OR)ange :main_laugh: .
(R)uby eyed (A)lbino (P)atternless (R)ainwater (OR)ange :main_laugh: .

Wow that's a mouth full!

 

[Gazz]

Wow that's a mouth full!

It's no worse that (R)uby eyed (A)bino (P)atternless (T)remper (OR)ange .

Tremper albino eclipse patternless striped.A tad shorter but discribes them better i think .

 

[boutiquegecko]

Ah, but we need to get all that orange in. Wait, how about the patternless though-do you have to have the eclipse gene for this project?
Somehow I think the rainwaters will make it before the bells but who knows. I think they're both going to be nice looking, and hopefully a little different than the tremper strain.
Is there a rev stripe rainwater? I haven't seen/heard of one yet. Didn't Jeremy or Ian??? hatch out one last year but it didn't make it?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Hey I invented and have a patent on the "APROR" name, be careful there Gazz. :main_laugh:

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

:main_laugh: Here is one.

 

[boutiquegecko]

OOOHHHH what a looker.
So he's actually rainwater, pattenless, & reverse stripe? Or is there more in him? Is he the first or of the first few?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Oh, no I was only kidding by posting the pic. That is just my Hypo Aberrant Tangy RW female. I did make an apRor-post on Fauna a while back, though. Also as a joke.

Something like "A.P.R.O.aR. hear the roar" :main_laugh:

 

[okapi]

I actually brought this subject up somewhere around here a month or so ago. I think in a thread that was talking about buying something without the breeder letting you know it was possible het for something maybe ? I cant remember. But the response I got was that some people have already proven out Eclipses possible het trempers to not be carrying the tremper gene and will start breeding them to the other albino lines this season. However for a "RAPROR" or a "RAPBOR" to be a "RAPROR" or a "RAPBOR" I would think it would need to be a patternless stripe, CH, CT, tangerine... But im sure people will just call them "bell/rainwater Raptors" or "eclipsed bell/rainwater albinos." And im sure people calling them "RAPRORs" will make one guy in texas a little mad

 

[DanTheFireman]

How about patternless Redstripe x RW, but you probably wouldn't get redeyed Raptor equivalents although some of the RWs have increased red eye "veining". Some work is being done on the Bell angle, those should have some killer eyes.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

That might work. J/K

Dan, you da man!

Show `em your little funny eyed RW, Dan. Jeremy has some RW`s(or at least one) w/ some funky eyes too.

 

[boutiquegecko]

D.Poe-that's still one super nice gecko. I like how the pink on the rw's comes through, I may have to break down and get one this year.

Dan-do you think that could possibly work with the patternless redstripe x rw if one were to concentrate on the increased red eye? That's how the albino is showing itself right? I wonder how that would prove out or would we all need that "other" patternless gene that is suposed to be non related to the reg patternless for the whole project to work with the other two strains.
I knew bells had red eyes, but I thought rw's had just as neat looking ones.

 

[boutiquegecko]

Wait a minute-what about a patternless rw x patternless redstripe? With increased orange of course. Both are out there has anyone crossed them or the babies?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

There a difference between albinos red eyes, and the "Raptor" eyes. Some RW`s have red in their eyes, like both other strains. Dan just posted a RW with nice peepers, not long ago. Look in "show off your Leos".

Here is an OK pic of a "snake eye". Half of the eye is like a normal Tremper, the other half, like a Raptor.

 

[boutiquegecko]

So the red eye would have to get in there somehow. That would be the eclipse gene? Maybe the bells would pull it in. Kelli's bb had solid red eyes?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Albino eyes are always red/pink w/the exception of alot of Rainwaters. They are normally not very red.

The Eclipse gene is black eyes, but naturally they are red if the Eclipse is an Albino. Called "Raptor".

If you can get RW`s or Bells to have "eclipse" eyes, you are there.