? Black Velvet Eclipse?

[spykerherps]

Anyone working with black Velvets or Really dark geckos (I don't think the actual Black Velvets By Artlinks are available yet??)and trying to cross them with the eclipse gene. to try and make an all black leo with jet black eyes? Or even through in an Enigma and see what happens.

Or maybe its a Secret:curtain:

 

[Lottiz]

Yes, I've done a Blackie x enigma pairing. No eggs yet.

 

[paulnj]

yes I bred a eclipse to a EXTREMELY dark mack patty:main_lipsrsealed:

 

[Halley]

What is the difference between a “black velvet” and a midnight blizzard? Is the “Black Velvet” just darker?

 

[spykerherps]

Black Velvets tend to be much darkerIMO, and there is no blizzard gene in them. there line bred for dark pigment.
So its genetics.

 

[Ccrashca069]

The Black Velvets also are not availible for sale yet either. Just go to http://www.blackvelvets.com and check them out.

 

[Halley]

Yeah, I would almost like to have a side shot of that gecko. Just for comparison. I guess maybe they will look different in real life. I guess I just hate how you can see the pattern from that gecko.

http://www.blackvelvets.com/text2_4.html
http://www.albertabredgeckos.com/Pictures/Bear web1.jpg

 

[Lottiz]

more pics:

http://www.blackvelvets.com/gallery1_18.html

/Lottiz

 

[paulnj]

I am not positive, but don't think ANYONE has proven a "midnight blizzard" to be geneticly dark. The black velvets are genetic in some way from my understanding, but Lottiz would have to confirm that.

 

[spykerherps]

Its hard to make a white gecko dark and that is what a blizzard is a white leo lacking pigment or melanin. so with them the dark color is more from temps they were incubated at or kept at as hatchlings or stress. imo. so your just turning the lights of on a lite gecko. some dark parents can still throw lite colored babies if I am correct. but with the Velvets its like the opposite. you are working with as much pigment or dark melanin as you can and I believe the parents usually pass these trates on to the offspring. so you can potentially get a darker and darker gecko by breeding really dark hold backs together. untell you can't get any darker.
I could be wrong. so I would like to here from the breeders who are actually working with them.