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Sajane
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Hi
I have 2 BB's, now the girly had greyish eyes but the male has albino eyes, why is this?
I have 2 BB's, now the girly had greyish eyes but the male has albino eyes, why is this?
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I believe
Now, I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but it could be because the blazing blizzard is an albino blizzard. Mine has solid black eyes, but I believe that they can have normal eyes, solid eyes, snake eyes and albino eyes. I don't think I have personally seen one with the albino eyes before, though. Do you have a picture? I'd like to see how they look with this type of eye.
Thanks!
Now, I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but it could be because the blazing blizzard is an albino blizzard. Mine has solid black eyes, but I believe that they can have normal eyes, solid eyes, snake eyes and albino eyes. I don't think I have personally seen one with the albino eyes before, though. Do you have a picture? I'd like to see how they look with this type of eye.
Thanks!
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Ok, i've taken a couple of pictures of the male - he wasn't too co-operative as it was too bright, but when he did take a glimpse i kinda caught him! I will get some batteries for my better camera and try and take some better ones at a later date.
I've also got a picture of the females grey eyes.
I've also got a picture of the females grey eyes.
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The BBs don't have black eyes. They are deep red. They can also have snake eyes. Half red and half normal albino. My guess is that if the one has normal grey eyes, then it's just a blizzard not a blazing blizzard. But from the pic, it looks like an albino with normal albino eyes and the last picture looks like a Blizzard because of the normal eyes. I can't really see the eyes that well but is there red in them?
check my avatar,
my gecko has a inbetween grey and red eye.
As long as the veins in the eyes look red instead of black, they are blazing blizzards. Do they ever darken in color??
A normal blizzards color tends to fluctuate to a dishwater grey, to a clean white depending on its mood. Blazing blizzards always remain the same color.
my gecko has a inbetween grey and red eye.
As long as the veins in the eyes look red instead of black, they are blazing blizzards. Do they ever darken in color??
A normal blizzards color tends to fluctuate to a dishwater grey, to a clean white depending on its mood. Blazing blizzards always remain the same color.
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You know, the "veins" in the eyes are actually pigment. They look like veins but they aren't...just something I thought was cool. 
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Mmmm interesting, well the breeder, well known here in the UK/Europe and the goes to the States allot too, i asked him just after i got them about the difference in the eye colouration and this is what was said:
"Firstly this debate re the Blazing Blizzards having red eyes has gone on since the morph was introduced. I purchased the first one offered in Europe it came from Mark Bell and did not have Red Eyes it still does not, the same applied to the female I purchased from the States a few months later. In addition if they are supposed to have red eyes how has Tremper been able to make a small fortune selling Red Eyed Blazing Blizzards at $1750-$2000 and calling them Diablo Blancos, he reckons these are the first with red eyes. I would further the arguement by stating that as most albinos do not have red eyes nor do blizzards why should the Blazing Blizzard? the name was devised to describe the body colour tone not the eyes. I have had red eyes or reddish eyes appear in several different animals and it is possible that this traight has appeared in some blazing blizzards throughout the world but it does not mean that others are not true Blazing Blizzards. Hopefully this explains the female you had from me. (She has greyish eyes)".
As promised i got some more batteries and now have some better pictures, firstly the female
And the male
They're both brillient white, there is no yellow, or grey on them both, in some of the pictures it looks flecked with yellow, it think thats the camera and the light in the rep room!
Thanks for the comments so far guys
"Firstly this debate re the Blazing Blizzards having red eyes has gone on since the morph was introduced. I purchased the first one offered in Europe it came from Mark Bell and did not have Red Eyes it still does not, the same applied to the female I purchased from the States a few months later. In addition if they are supposed to have red eyes how has Tremper been able to make a small fortune selling Red Eyed Blazing Blizzards at $1750-$2000 and calling them Diablo Blancos, he reckons these are the first with red eyes. I would further the arguement by stating that as most albinos do not have red eyes nor do blizzards why should the Blazing Blizzard? the name was devised to describe the body colour tone not the eyes. I have had red eyes or reddish eyes appear in several different animals and it is possible that this traight has appeared in some blazing blizzards throughout the world but it does not mean that others are not true Blazing Blizzards. Hopefully this explains the female you had from me. (She has greyish eyes)".
As promised i got some more batteries and now have some better pictures, firstly the female
And the male
They're both brillient white, there is no yellow, or grey on them both, in some of the pictures it looks flecked with yellow, it think thats the camera and the light in the rep room!
Thanks for the comments so far guys
People seem to forget that the only bit on a BB that let's you know whather your BB is a high temp incubated or a low temp incubated in BB is the eyes there pupils can be a nice crimson red (incubated higher).To a deep red looking black (incubated lower).By the look of it you male is a incubated high BB and your female i would say is a incubated low BB.If she a incubated low temp strain the clue that your blizzard is both ABINO+BLIZZARD=BB is in the iris vaining the vaining will be a maroon red.
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/BBM1_eye_600.jpg
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/BBM1_eye_600.jpg
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Ron Tremper says on his site, or in his book, that up to date, there has been no solid red eyed BB. The Diablo Blanco is the outcome of a double het (Raptor and BB) to the same double het, giving you a BB Raptor. Hence the solid red eyes which come from Raptor, and the color which comes from the BBs.
Can a regular Blizzard be that white color? I didn't know eye color changed at incubation temps. I thought it was just the skin pigment? That's good to know. But I have many female albinos that have red pigment in their eyes...all of them in fact do. Even my BB female has the red pigment veins in her eyes. So, that's why I think that the female could just be a Blizzard, because her eyes are so steal gray in all of these pictures.
Now that I look at the last pictures of her, she does look like her eyes are albino, just a darker tint.
Can a regular Blizzard be that white color? I didn't know eye color changed at incubation temps. I thought it was just the skin pigment? That's good to know. But I have many female albinos that have red pigment in their eyes...all of them in fact do. Even my BB female has the red pigment veins in her eyes. So, that's why I think that the female could just be a Blizzard, because her eyes are so steal gray in all of these pictures.
Now that I look at the last pictures of her, she does look like her eyes are albino, just a darker tint.
malt_geckos said:
Here two tremper one regular (high) one dookie-AKA-chocolate (low).look at the differance.
regular tremper.
http://www.vmsherp.com/ImagePages/Leopards/AlbinoHS2.htm
Dookie tremper.
http://www.vmsherp.com/ImagePages/Leopards/ChocolateJungleHS.htm
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Paul,
Did the BB have both solid red eyes? Perhaps his statement is outdated. The book came out quite some time ago..
Did the BB have both solid red eyes? Perhaps his statement is outdated. The book came out quite some time ago..
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Sajane
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Well thanks for all this info, am glad that they're both BB's, just couldn't understand the difference between the eyes!
Its very interesting about the temp's, something to keep in mind when these two breed
Well thanks for all this info, am glad that they're both BB's, just couldn't understand the difference between the eyes!
Its very interesting about the temp's, something to keep in mind when these two breed
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Paul, he says it on the Diablo Blanco page...here's the link
http://leopardgecko.com/DiabloBlanco2007.html
Here's the exact quote:
The “White Devil” is the result of crossing very white Tremper Albino "Blazing" Blizzard (BB) females with our best Raptor male and breeding those double het offspring together. It is not the result of crossing a pure BB with a pure BB and accidentally getting a variant of that morph with all red eyes. No BB has ever been produced with two all red eyes. I also introduced the genes for giant into the Diablo Blanco project, so many of these DBs will have above average size. The first pure DB with two all red eyes hatched in May 2006. Diablo Blanco FAQ page.
It's the 4th section of the page
http://leopardgecko.com/DiabloBlanco2007.html
Here's the exact quote:
The “White Devil” is the result of crossing very white Tremper Albino "Blazing" Blizzard (BB) females with our best Raptor male and breeding those double het offspring together. It is not the result of crossing a pure BB with a pure BB and accidentally getting a variant of that morph with all red eyes. No BB has ever been produced with two all red eyes. I also introduced the genes for giant into the Diablo Blanco project, so many of these DBs will have above average size. The first pure DB with two all red eyes hatched in May 2006. Diablo Blanco FAQ page.
It's the 4th section of the page
Well, Matt (leopardbreeder) owns the mentioned gecko and they eyes are indeed a dark red SOLID EYED blazing blizzard.
The DB I have seen had much brighter eyes than the BB in question, and I'd rather not turn this into a who's correct thread about a breeder
The DB I have seen had much brighter eyes than the BB in question, and I'd rather not turn this into a who's correct thread about a breeder
paulnj said:
But you didn't mean (Tremper eclipse) did you ??.Black eye or red eye from blizzards me personally i don't call the eclipse i call them tinted as they are two dfferant strain that are not compatible.Black eye or red eye(albino) from tremper blood is (eclipse) ofcorse.Black eye or red eye(albino) from soul blizzard blood that didn't originate from RAPTOR blood i call (tinted) i beleave they should have differant names as they are two differant strains.
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Well the full eyed animals from actual tremper eclipse(raptor), the blizzard gene and Super snow gene are all referred to as "eclipse" at times, hence the quotes. The BB I speak of is expressing fulleyes from the blizzard gene and is a tremper albino.
Yes full eyed/ partial eyed blizzards should indeed have it's own term such as "tinted" , but who gets the honor of giving them the new official eye discription term?
Yes full eyed/ partial eyed blizzards should indeed have it's own term such as "tinted" , but who gets the honor of giving them the new official eye discription term?
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