Breeding Plan

[Fencer04]

Ok, I'm planning my morphs that I want to try and produce over the next 2 years and would like to end up with some Snow Raptors at the end. Right now I have a Mack Snow Eclipse female and a Sunglow het for Raptor male. I'm having trouble using the calculators to see how I can end up with a Snow Raptor after two breeding years even though I think it should be possible.

Anyone have any advice?

 

[roger]

Ok, I'm planning my morphs that I want to try and produce over the next 2 years and would like to end up with some Snow Raptors at the end. Right now I have a Mack Snow Eclipse female and a Sunglow het for Raptor male. I'm having trouble using the calculators to see how I can end up with a Snow Raptor after two breeding years even though I think it should be possible.

Anyone have any advice?

I'm assuming u want Mack snow raptors.thats a cross between a Raptor and a Mack snow.Just tick off whats applicable


http://www.leopardgeckomorphcalculator.co.uk/MorphCalculator.aspx

 

[Fencer04]

Roger,
I appreciate you pointing me in that direction but that is exactly the calculator that I am using. My issue arises with the Eclipse and Raptor Gene. I understand that they are the same gene, they just show differently in animals with the Tremper gene. When it's comes time to breed the first set of offspring (F1) back to the parents, which parent do I use so that I get Mack Snow Raptors in my F2 generation. I am thinking the father to solidify the Tremper gene. Does this make sense?

I'm going to play with the calculator more, I'm just looking for some confirmation in my thinking from some actual people rather than me interpreting this calculator.

Also, on that calculator what does the 1 copy mean. I'm very straight on the recessive or dominant gene characteristics, the polygenic ones really get me screwed up when they are mixed in.

 

[kkigs]

The Mack Snow part is easy, since it's a co-dominant trait, but to get RAPTORS, you'll have to have some luck. The father would be the key for you. Since he has the albino gene, you're only missing patternless. He will be able to produce the end result of a snow raptor when bred back to his daughters, assuming they are Mack Snow Eclipse and also het for patternless(The missing ingredient to produce a true RAPTOR). They will all be het for albino, so half of the babies will be albinos, with the possibility for half Mack Snow and then half of them patternless. It's a longshot of sorts, but possible. You're more likely to produce Red-eyed Snow Albinos first. Then breed those back to the father again with the hopes of pairing that patternless gene. Of course, adding a true RAPTOR to the mix might be a much more effective solution for you. JMG has some really nice snow RAPTORS.

 

[Fencer04]

Thank you. I believe that my Sunglow has patternless in him as he is totally devoid of any pattern. Of course I won't know until I breed him to see if that is just a coincidence. What I found was the if he is patternless then in the end I can expect about 12.5% of the result I'm looking for. I agree that adding a true Raptor in the mix would make things much easier. I'll have to think about that as we move toward breeding season.

 

[roger]

Thank you. I believe that my Sunglow has patternless in him as he is totally devoid of any pattern. Of course I won't know until I breed him to see if that is just a coincidence. What I found was the if he is patternless then in the end I can expect about 12.5% of the result I'm looking for. I agree that adding a true Raptor in the mix would make things much easier. I'll have to think about that as we move toward breeding season.

Raptors are pretty affordable now.I havnt got the patience to breed back offspring and make it a 2 or 3 yr project.I just buy two of each morph.

 

[kkigs]

Thank you. I believe that my Sunglow has patternless in him as he is totally devoid of any pattern. Of course I won't know until I breed him to see if that is just a coincidence. What I found was the if he is patternless then in the end I can expect about 12.5% of the result I'm looking for. I agree that adding a true Raptor in the mix would make things much easier. I'll have to think about that as we move toward breeding season.

Also keep in mind, I'm referring to the Tremper patternless gene. There are lots of RAPTORS being sold these days that are missing that component. I think an "eclipse sunglow" would be a really nice animal whether technically showing the so-called patternless trait or not.

I agree with Roger; combining hets will make your head spin. Sometimes just easier to start with the end-result and improve upon it.

 

[roger]

Also keep in mind, I'm referring to the Tremper patternless gene. There are lots of RAPTORS being sold these days that are missing that component. I think an "eclipse sunglow" would be a really nice animal whether technically showing the so-called patternless trait or not.

I agree with Roger; combining hets will make your head spin. Sometimes just easier to start with the end-result and improve upon it.

u might even be wasting your time proving something out.It might not even be het.thats where a trusted breeder comes into play.If u get an animal from someone it might not be the het he's telling u it is

 

[Fencer04]

I trust this breeder, Granite State Reptiles, he was extremely helpful at the show I was at and has continued to help me out along the way. Of course it is possible that it still isn't a het, but I trust him enough to give it a shot. If it doesn't pan out then next year I'll have to invest in one or two more geckos to get where I need to go. Thanks again for the help guys.

 

[artgecko]

Here is what I would plan for if I only had those 2 geckos and didn't want to add a new raptor.

year 1
Mack Snow Eclipse female x Sunglow het for Raptor male
incubate for female
Should get 25% Mack Snow, eclipse, het tremper, 50% het raptor

year 2
take Mack Snow eclipse females (het tremper, 50% het raptor) and breed back to father
incubate for male & female
should get some Mack Snow eclipse t-albinos (raptors?)

Year 3
Breed Mack Snow eclipse t-albino female x Mack Snow eclipse t-albino male (at least one needs to be Mack Snow)
incubate for male&female

Year 4
breed best Mack Snow eclipse t-albino with best eclipse t-albino (by 'best' I mean most like a raptor)
By now you ought to have a pretty good MackSnow Raptor line