Can't get tank up to temp

tonjia

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Hello everyone. I'm new here and looking for some solid advice on my gecko set-up. Sorry if this ends up long winded. I know if I leave something out , someone will ask or point it out to me and this will slow down my getting a good response.

My set-up:

2 geckos (M&F...we rescued them from a teenager that didn't want them anymore. I am aware that they could breed but I am not here for breeding advice.)

Just got a large tank to install a natural climb-able background. Tank measures 36X18X16. Heat proof screened lid with an approx 8 inch dome-heat bulb (red one).
(Everything is Zoo Med or Exo Terra))

UTH...I think it's a medium size, says on box that it is designed for a 30-40 gallon tank. I have it stuck to bottom towards left side where their main hide is but it's not right on top of it)

Slate tiles on bottom (Allen & Roth 12X12X.40 although thickness varies...cut to size for free at Lowe's)

A little paper toweling where they poop and sand to fill tile edges around perimeter of tank. It is reptile "approved" sand and I am aware of the whole sand controversy but there's just a scattering of it in their tank and they had nothing but sand with their first owner. I see them digging at it and burrowing so I imagine they like it. When I switched to tile I wasn't sure how'd they take to it so I thought a little sand here and there would help them adjust. Sounds silly probably. I was also afraid that the outer edge of the tile around the perimeter was too wide and sand was perfect for filling the gap.)

They have 3 hides, one is for moisture.


HERE'S MY PROBLEM:

Left side of tank is around 75 degrees: This is where the UTH is along with the main hide that they use most of the time.

Right side of tank is 80 degrees when heat light is on, 70-75 when it is off.

QUESTIONS:

Should I just get a larger more reflective light reflector for the standard red heat bulb? I've read that you can just get the hardware store type that is silver and usually clips onto something as long as it has a ceramic base and can take a heat type bulb.

Do I switch to a ceramic heat bulb instead of the red one/infrared or whatever it is?

I don't like leaving the heat bulb on all day b/c I'm afraid of fire hazards. I don't think it would ever tip over or cause a fire but since it emits a lot of heat, I do worry. We currently leave the heat bulb on at night (it sits right on top of the screen but it's 18 inches away from the slate substrate, too far?)

I need a suggestion that DOES NOT require me to get a different tank size. I cannot return it and I've already invested WAY more money than I thought I would. My daughters pet has become my hobby. I LOVE these little geckos (Zane and Sticky) and want to be sure they are happy, warm, safe and healthy.

They eat, they poop , they have fat tails but this set up is only 3 days old and I don't think it's warm enough.


By the way, this is the care sheet I use:

http://buffalobirdnerd.com/clients/8963/documents/Leopard_Gecko..pdf


It says there should be three zones of temp: Warm side-85 degrees Basking-90 degrees Cool side-75 degrees

I just went up to take a picture and the tank is 75 on both sides.

We live in a Cape Cod in New York where it gets very cold and our house is usually 68-70 during the day and typically 67 or so at night.

THANK YOU for any help you can offer!!

I'll attach a pict if I can figure out how. We're not finished pimping out their pad so it may look like they have nothing fun to climb on etc (sparse). We're installing the background in a couple days.
(Pict attached)

THX,
Tonjia
 

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tonjia

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What are you using to measure your temperatures?


Ah yes. Good question. The original tank came with dial type therms that are velcro mounted near the top. We just re-velcro'd them to this new, bigger tank. I did put one right on top of the slate above the UTH and it read 80 degrees. Can anyone recommend a more accurate but economical therm?

Coincidentally the red bulb (infra red? I don't even know. It's red and emits heat.) burnt out today. I think a CHE with a larger dome reflector may help with my low temp situation, no?

THX,,
Tonjia
 

lisa127

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The most reliable way to measure temps IMO is a temperature gun.
Amazon.com: Racer's Edge Mini Infrared Temp Gun: Toys & Games
The thermometers you are using are not accurate, so you really don't know what your temps are. And after getting a more accurate way to measure temps, if you still need extra heat beyond the UTH then the better choices are a ceramic heat emitter or a black incandescent bulb instead of red.
 

tonjia

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The most reliable way to measure temps IMO is a temperature gun.
Amazon.com: Racer's Edge Mini Infrared Temp Gun: Toys & Games
The thermometers you are using are not accurate, so you really don't know what your temps are. And after getting a more accurate way to measure temps, if you still need extra heat beyond the UTH then the better choices are a ceramic heat emitter or a black incandescent bulb instead of red.


Thx lisa. I just bought one from Amazon. I also got a CHE, one of those wire type bulb holders and a light stand. All good choices hopefully?

I think what happen is that I just upsized my tank without considering the fact I'd then have more space to heat. I knew I had to get a larger UTH but failed to realize that the basking heat source was just not going to be enough since I went from a 12 inch depth to a 16 inch depth. It's also just plain ole cold in our house and room temp doesn't get much above 70 any given day.

Here's the stuff I bought:

http://www.++++++++.com/product/index.jsp?productId=16657696&f=PAD/psNotAvailInUS/No

Exo Terra : Wire Light / Porcelain Wire Lamp

Amazon.com: Nubee® Temperature Gun Non-contact Infrared Thermometer w/ Laser Sight: Kitchen & Dining

Let's hope it's money well spent.

THX!

tonjia

PS: My "thanks" total is zero. How do I change that?
 

lisa127

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That looks good. I live in Cleveland Ohio area, so it's cold here too. But I have a dedicated reptile room. It is a small room (8 x 10 feet only) so when heat lamps are on and the heat is running in the house, it gets toasty in there with the door kept closed. Therefore, I only need to use the UTH's. Hopefully when your order gets to you you can measure more accurately and get the correct temps.
 

B&B Geckos

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You should only focus on the surface temperature, not the ambient temperature. As long as 1/4-1/3 of the surface of your tank is at around 90F they're good. If this is the case, they'll move to and fro to thermoregulate as needed and you may not even need the light. Best.
 

DrCarrotTail

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+1 to measuring only the surface temperature. If the air temp is 90 it may be too warm for your geckos. They need a 90 degree floor spot to warm their belly, other than that I don't worry about temps in my cages and my geckos are all happy and fat.
 

tonjia

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Same here. I only measure floor temps in leo cages.


Thanks everyone. This is all great info. I never realized that it's the floor temp that matters most. When we got the tank it came with therm gauges mounted already near the top. It makes sense to gauge the floor temp more so than above.

I'll check everything out when my therm gun arrives. I've heard you can use the therm gun for other things too like cooking and seeing what the real temp iso outside. I'm excited about this new toy!

Thanks again!

Tonjia
 

dolfun55

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I am having a similar problem. The UTH is working fine and the bottom of the tank on the warm side is around 88 or 90 but I have a thermometer midway up on the side of the tank and it stays about 80 during the day with the red light on but at night it drops to 60 with no light. My gecko is not eating well and I think its because I dont have the heat regulated properly now that its turned cold here. I can get her to eat a worm or two every few days. She not interested in chasing down crickets either and she loves her crickets. I know she isnt impacted as she poops after eating. She looks perfectly healthy but her appetite is terrible right now.

I am seriously considering a ceramic heat emmiter for her. Maybe a 60 watt will do it. I'm pretty nervous about those due to how hot everyone says they get. I dont want it to melt my screen or cause a fire.

Any suggestions?
 

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