Combining Morphs

[The Gecko Person]

How could I combine morphs like blizzard and SHTCTB? I was thinking breed the blizzard x SHTCTB, like this.

Blizzard x SHTCTB:

100% Hypo (1 Copy) het Blizzard

Some of the offspring may be Super Hypo Baldy (showing very little or no head spotting and very little, if not zero body spotting)
Most of the offspring will show Banded patterning

The offspring may well show some Tangerine influence.
The offspring may well show some Carrot Tail influence.


Then the offspring together like this:

100% Hypo (1 Copy) het Blizzard x 100% Hypo (1 Copy) het Blizzard:

6.25% Hypo (2 Copy) Blizzard
12.5% Hypo (2 Copy) het Blizzard
12.5% Hypo (1 Copy) Blizzard
25% Hypo (1 Copy) het Blizzard
6.25% Hypo (2 Copy)
12.5% Hypo (1 Copy)
6.25% Blizzard
12.5% Normal het Blizzard
6.25% Normal

What would the hypo blizzards look like? what is the difference between one and two copy?

 

[MiamiLeos]

They would look like blizzards... there's really not much variation in the morph aside from some darker/lighter shades of grey.

 

[Jordan]

well that would be how to do it, but with that pairing there is not much point really.

And right 1 and 2 copy is like sort of like Mack snow and super snow, because super snow is the 2 copy and mack snow is the 1 copy of the gene.

I like to think of it like this. right, some heterozygous traits show through. So Super snow is the homozygous trait, and mack snow is like being het for super snow, but as it shows through weve named it something, instead of just saying het super snow.

So the 1 copy and 2 copy is a co-dominant thing, like enigma, 1 copy is like being het enigma, but it shows through so its not really het enigma. if you get me, and 2 copy is homozygous enigma. basically its 1 or 2 copies of the gene, Aa = 1 copy, aa = 2 copy.

someone say if im wrong lol.

 

[The Gecko Person]

well that would be how to do it, but with that pairing there is not much point really.

Well what about morphs that would look like both parents? what morphs would the ones possible to combine be? Thanks

 

[Glass_]

Why would there be no point? Just wondering. I'm thinking of breeding leopard geckos too, but I don't know what to breed mine with and I have a SHTCTB also. It would look like this right? http://www.theurbangecko.com/images/pop_up/leopard/snows/chill.jpg

 

[Taquiq]

As long as you want to do it there is a point. My guess would be that the Hypo Blizzards would be a lighter shade of the Blizzard variation.

 

[Jordan]

Well, yeh i guess there is apoint but i mean if your looking for a really good looking gecko, i feel that combining a patternless morph with another patternless morph isnt going to get much out of it. Sorry.

And all morphs are possible to combine (i think) its just mixing super hypo with blizzard, would make a hypo blizzard which would just look like a blizzard.

 

[Glass_]

Oh yeah, I get what you mean. Thanks.

 

[MiamiLeos]

So the 1 copy and 2 copy is a co-dominant thing, like enigma, 1 copy is like being het enigma, but it shows through so its not really het enigma. if you get me, and 2 copy is homozygous enigma. basically its 1 or 2 copies of the gene, Aa = 1 copy, aa = 2 copy.

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I just want to clarify this really quick so no one gets confused. There is no super form of Enigma. There is also no het. An animal either is or is not an Enigma. It can have 1 copy of the gene or 2, but it's still the same morph. :main_thumbsup:

 

[paulh]

And right 1 and 2 copy is like sort of like Mack snow and super snow, because super snow is the 2 copy and mack snow is the 1 copy of the gene.

I like to think of it like this. right, some heterozygous traits show through. So Super snow is the homozygous trait, and mack snow is like being het for super snow, but as it shows through weve named it something, instead of just saying het super snow.

So the 1 copy and 2 copy is a co-dominant thing, like enigma, 1 copy is like being het enigma, but it shows through so its not really het enigma. if you get me, and 2 copy is homozygous enigma. basically its 1 or 2 copies of the gene, Aa = 1 copy, aa = 2 copy.

someone say if im wrong lol.

You're mostly right. However, it could be expressed more simply. And 1 copy enigma really is het enigma. See definitions below.

I just want to clarify this really quick so no one gets confused. There is no super form of Enigma. There is also no het. An animal either is or is not an Enigma. It can have 1 copy of the gene or 2, but it's still the same morph. :main_thumbsup:

All gene pairs contain 2 genes. And all gene pairs are either homozygous or heterozygous.

Definitions:
Homozygous -- the two genes in a gene pair are the same.
Heterozygous (Slang = het) -- the two genes in a gene pair are NOT the same.

By extension, a homozygous animal has a homozygous gene pair. And a heterozygous animal has a heterozygous gene pair.

Many herpers believe that a heterozygous animal looks normal. That is true only when the heterozygous gene pair contains a recessive mutant gene and a normal gene, like the Tremper albino mutant gene and the normal gene. It is not true when a heterozygous gene pair contains a dominant mutant gene and a normal gene OR a codominant mutant gene and a normal gene OR two different mutant genes.

Herpers often use "1 copy" for a heterozygous gene pair containing a normal gene and either a dominant mutant gene or a codominant mutant gene. And "2 copy" for a homozygous gene pair containing either two copies of a dominant mutant gene or two copies of a codominant mutant gene. Edited to add the following: If you want, "1 copy" and "2 copy" can be used with recessive mutant genes, too. A 1 copy Tremper albino gecko has a Tremper albino mutant gene paired with a normal gene and looks normal. A 2 copy Tremper albino gecko has two copies of the Tremper albino mutant gene and has the Tremper albino morph.

"Super" can mean two copies of a codominant mutant gene. Or it could mean "extreme". A super hypo could have two copies of the hypo gene. Or a super hypo could have a one hypo gene paired with a normal gene but lack spots. That can be confusing.

Edited to add: So there really is a het enigma. Enigmas are either het (1 copy) enigmas or homozygous (2 copy) enigmas. Het enigmas do not look normal.

Hope that helps.