Difference between APTOR and RAPTOR

[Pedro10]

If RAPTOR is an eclipse tremper albino, what APTOR is in reality? Only a tremper albino?

Because all tthe web that I read says that APTOR is an Albino Patternless Tremper Albino, and Raptor is an Red eye Aptor.

 

[supperl]

Aptor is a combination of different stripe gens which makes the Gecko "patternless" it is not the murphy patternless morph! The combo is named Patternless Stripe.

An Aptor is an Tremper Albino Patternless Stripe with much colour.
THe Aptor was first than came the Raptor and it seems like that TRUE Aptors are all het for Raptor cause the Eclipse eye gen came from the Aptor morph(without Jungles you won´t see a Raptor its a long line of breeding!)
A Raptor is basically an Aptor with red eyes or snake eyes (eclispe gen can be full half and whaterver).

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Very simply put, an APTOr is a RAPTOr minus the eclipse gene. :main_yes:

 

[Pedro10]

I had thought that the APTOr have the murphy patternless gene. So this explain much of my mistakes

This way, to produce a simple RAPTOR we have to bred an Eclipse with a Tremper Albino, but to produce a RAPTOR with no pattern, we have to do selective bred?

 

[supperl]

basically if you have what most ppl name "Eclipse" you have an Eclipse Patternless stripe gecko. Paired with a Tremper you will have normals het for Tremper and Eclipse and having the pattern gens.
Breed these together and you´ll "maybe" get a pure Raptor.

For the Pattern plz read this post:
http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=314605&postcount=10
he explains it perfectly how the pattern came on.
The APtor is basically just a normal Albino but with special PATTERN named patternless stripe. The Raptor is an Eclipse albino with special PATTERN named patternless stripe.
What patternless stripe is you can learn from the post. It´s not easy to understand but that post is wonderful!

 

[Pedro10]

Thanks, I will read this post very careful

 

[Brewster320]

So say you bred an aptor, a raptor, or sumthing het for either 1 to a tremper albino or a sunglow tremper which is also line bred to be patternless. Is there a chance since the aptor is line bred you could get aptors out of this pairing?

 

[supperl]

THeir are differences.
Raptor/Aptor is Patternless Stripe
Sunglow is Hypo which is linebreed to be Baldy

THese are 2 different things. You can get a Raptor/Aptor if you breed 2 geckos with same genetics to each other. Sunglow is just a hypo and the patternless stripe of the APtor you need to look at the Link.

 

[Brewster320]

I get it but its kind of confusing. So can you have het. for reverse stripe, stripe, bold stripe, and jungle? i Because in the past when I've bred leos I've gotten both stripes and jungles from parents that did not show the trait, and these were from multiple animals all interbred not just 1 pair. So all my animals had to be het for those genes? Can some some give be a definition of co-ressive?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Yes I would say you can have hets for each of those, you can also have animals that are "multi-het" for all of them. An Aptor or Raptor would fall into that category, carrying the genes for each of the traits that went into making them.

Co-recessive= means a group of cooperating recessive genes. Just like that, nothing really fancy, it is just a little different IMHO. They work together to create a "new" type, and do not fully follow the same rules as simple recessives.

Jungle X Jungle> Stripe X Stripe> Reverse Stripe X Reverse Stripe> Patternless Stripe X Patternless Stripe> Eclipse X Eclipse> Abyssinian?(Not sticking my neck out on that one, but I think it is possible )

It seems that it is easier to get the "new" types when you are mixing up the patterns. Stripe X Stripe rarely produces a Reverse Stripe, etc, but Jungle X Stripe can make one, and Stripe X Reverse Stripe was how we found the "Patternless Stripe" gene. That was later found to be the "secret" behind the Aptor/Raptor project.