Dumb question: If a leo has bands or spots...is it really a raPtor?

[tb144050]

I see so many "raptors" but on alot of sites I see what looks like a red-eyed albino with large grey bands or color patches.

Isn't a ra_P_tor "patternless"? or does "patternless" just refer to "no polka-dotting"?

And they are less than half-yellow... so I don't really see the T_Or (tangerine orange) either?

The name of the Leo is "Albino Raptor."

 

[stager]

That's a good Question technically speaking such geckos are tremper albino eclipses, but some will call a banded raptor if it has stripes. Personally I breed my raptors to be yellow with lots of orange spots, so technically I shouldn't call raptors, guilty as charged

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Used to be that they were patternless but it's pretty much a lost standard now. Anything that is eclipse and Tremper can be called a Raptor.

 

[tb144050]

Ok, thanks for both the replies. I thought I was misunderstanding. But I get it. It is "considered" a raptor if it has the highly-sought genes mentioned above.

 

[DrCarrotTail]

The patternless in raptors comes from crossing stripes with reverse stripes. It isn't a recessive trait like Murphy's Patternless or Blizzard and so selective breeding can produce raptors with patterns that have identical recessive/dominant genetics to their patternless counterparts

 

[tb144050]

The patternless in raptors comes from crossing stripes with reverse stripes. It isn't a recessive trait like Murphy's Patternless or Blizzard and so selective breeding can produce raptors with patterns that have identical recessive/dominant genetics to their patternless counterparts

by "recessive/dominant genetics to their patternless counterparts", do you mean identical phenotype (outward appearance)? I am catching on quickly but need to do more studying on the different genes/phenotypes.

Please let me know if I understand the following correctly:

(letters are just randomly chosen)

ZZ = NO blizzard gene
Zz = het blizzard, not visible
zz = full-blizzard, visible trait
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same with Murphys patternless

MM = No Murphy patternless gene
Mm - het Murphy patternless, not visible
mm = full Murphy Patternless, visible trait

BB = No Bell
Bb = het Bell
bb = full Bell, visible

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That stuff I understand already. (i think)

But what are the gene combinations for the RAPTOR's "patternless"? (double-dominants, single-dominants, or double-recessives??)

Is it a combination like:

RR = Reverse stripe, visible
........PLUS............
SS = Stripe, visible
........Equals..........
A solid coat that appears patternless because the stripe "fills in" the patternless.

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^^ I know they aren't necessarily a "double-dominant". That's just the example I provided...the answer I am looking for will explain the genetics in that type of format.

 

[tb144050]

Also, can you link to or post a couple of pics of true raPtors? I have been convinced that if I want to breed geckos, I need to invest and start with quality breeders. Pictures will help me determine which ones are true and which ones are :Redeye albino patterned/spotted/striped yellow Leos...

There is a "clearance" ad for "5 raptors and 1 tremper eclipse" but the 5 "raptors" look yellow with orange spots or stripes...?? It's probably a good price for what they are, but I am wanting to start small with highest-quality.

 

[tb144050]

by "recessive/dominant genetics to their patternless counterparts", do you mean identical phenotype (outward appearance)? I am catching on quickly but need to do more studying on the different genes/phenotypes.

I found my answer . If the info is still up to date, acpart's "genetics 101" article explains that the striped/rev-striped genetics are still not defined/understood. So it's just kinda unpredictable. Try to linebreed them and hope for the right combination of colors?

I would still like to see a good pic of a picture perfect raptor, if possible.