From fine to stumbleing and shaking overnight.

[reefpimp]

I have a female raptor 45 grams. enclosure has 90 hot spot and 82 cool. constant food and water. been fine and alert last few days and go in today and she looks drunk stumbling around and i can see her entire body spasming.
No vets open till tomorrow.
Any ideas what may have caused this?
I have several leos (all separate).

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Please fill out this questionnaire so we might have a better idea what may be going on. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=70912

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Your geckos may have Metabilic Bone Disesease (MBD) from calcium deficiency.

 

[M_surinamensis]

Or it may have neurological damage from a temperature spike or it may have been exposed to a toxin or it may have experienced a physical trauma or...

There's way too little information, way too many possibilities and no responsible answer can be given other than "See a vet."

Sometimes I really hate that subforums like this one exist all over the web, being used as a veterinary substitute by people who aren't getting their animals the professional medical care they require, substituting answers from people who can't possibly provide anything definite. It's not just that of course, there are some people who manage to discuss medication and health issues in a manner that is appropriate to the medium they are using, but these seem to be a distinct minority. Most the posts are threads like this one, someone asking an impossible question and being given unqualified answers. There's no way anyone can help this guy over a forum- he should never have asked and nobody should ever have answered.

 

[reefpimp]

Or it may have neurological damage from a temperature spike or it may have been exposed to a toxin or it may have experienced a physical trauma or...

There's way too little information, way too many possibilities and no responsible answer can be given other than "See a vet."

Sometimes I really hate that subforums like this one exist all over the web, being used as a veterinary substitute by people who aren't getting their animals the professional medical care they require, substituting answers from people who can't possibly provide anything definite. It's not just that of course, there are some people who manage to discuss medication and health issues in a manner that is appropriate to the medium they are using, but these seem to be a distinct minority. Most the posts are threads like this one, someone asking an impossible question and being given unqualified answers. There's no way anyone can help this guy over a forum- he should never have asked and nobody should ever have answered.

Thanks for ur great yet pointless insite. It was Sunday so vet was closed. Curious if someone had experienced something similar cause then they might have an idea what itmay have been. Unfortunately u posted instead. #1 reason I don't like posting in forums. Too many "Gods" like u trying to be the all knowing. So take this as it was written, print it out, wad it up and find a place for it.

No it didn't develop MBD overnight.

Took to vet on Monday when they open and situation has been taken care of.
thanks for ur help and concern

 

[fl_orchidslave]

What was the diagnosis? Just curious..........

 

[Pinky81]

Or it may have neurological damage from a temperature spike or it may have been exposed to a toxin or it may have experienced a physical trauma or...

There's way too little information, way too many possibilities and no responsible answer can be given other than "See a vet."

Sometimes I really hate that subforums like this one exist all over the web, being used as a veterinary substitute by people who aren't getting their animals the professional medical care they require, substituting answers from people who can't possibly provide anything definite. It's not just that of course, there are some people who manage to discuss medication and health issues in a manner that is appropriate to the medium they are using, but these seem to be a distinct minority. Most the posts are threads like this one, someone asking an impossible question and being given unqualified answers. There's no way anyone can help this guy over a forum- he should never have asked and nobody should ever have answered.

Yikes...I understand it get frustrating at time to get a thread started like this but its up to seasoned owners and forum members to help "gently" direct another member to a solution. Not jumping at people....Forums get and keep knowledgable people from fostering learning and understanding from the new memebers. Don't eat your young M_surinamensis

Reefpimp there is a sticky at the top of the Health and Meds section that has a questionaire to fill out so when asking this kinda of questions those of us who have ideas can try to narrow down what maybe going on...and possibly give you ideas on how to get your Leo through till the vet opens the next day!!!

What ever did happen I am also curious!!

 

[reefpimp]

Took her to the vet next day where 2 vets checked her out. One of them has alot of Leo experience. Said it was nothing they had seen before. Something neurological possibly a tumor. She did die at the vet. They offered to send her to Purdue University for a full autopsy to find out for sure what it was. So she was sent there. Thanks for ur help and concern.

I assure u M_surinamensis it was not a heat spike, physical trauma or toxin. But thanks anyways

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Took her to the vet next day where 2 vets checked her out. One of them has alot of Leo experience. Said it was nothing they had seen before. Something neurological possibly a tumor. She did die at the vet. They offered to send her to Purdue University for a full autopsy to find out for sure what it was. So she was sent there. Thanks for ur help and concern.

I assure u M_surinamensis it was not a heat spike, physical trauma or toxin. But thanks anyways

OMG how traumatic I'm very sorry. Sometimes they develop ruptures and other odd things that nothing can be done. Enigmas do carry a gene that causes some neurological disorders, was she by chance an enigma? You did all you could to help her by getting to a vet asap. I would very much like to know of their findings, if you don't mind sharing the information. Private message if you prefer. Again, I'm very sorry for what's happened with your leo.

 

[Pinky81]

reefpimp Im sooo sorry as well!!! Gosh Im with Laney could you let us know what they find...if anything its a way for everyone to learn after all thats what we are all here for collective learning. Poor little guy is chasin his crickets over the rainbow bridge!!! **hugs** to you!

 

[M_surinamensis]

Sometimes I miss being able to use animated avatars. Like this one, used it for years. Such a simple little picture but such a sincere expression of a sentiment.

 

[Dog Shrink]

Awwww certainly wasn't expecting that kind of follow up report So sorry your leo didn't make it Good for you getting her to a vet as soon as you could. So sorry you lost her.

 

[reefpimp]

Thanks EVERYONE for ur thoughts and sentiments. I do appreciate it. I care alot for my animals and it is always sad to see one go.
Probably be awhile but I will pass on any findings they send back to the Vet.
Thanks again