Giant het Tremper + bold stripe =?

[berlynne83]

Okay, so, I've got what I hope is an easy question. *fingers crossed*
I have a giant male who's het for temper and I'm currently searching for a bold stripe or bandit, possibly red stripe female. A high contrast kinda gal. My hopeful outcome being hight contrast pretty giants. If I pair him up with one of these does his het play a part in me ending up with norms or will it be a case of waiting until after the first hatchlings grow to linebreed to come up with a pattern? Or will I have some small success from the first clutch?

I tried the calculator but I don't see an option for any of the morphs I was considering, and I'm trying to wrap my head around what cancels what out and what not. While rereading all the info I've found on morphs and how they work (and I will keep reading it over and over and over until my head squares it all up) I thought I might be able to fish a straight answer out of you kind folks!

 

[berlynne83]

I would have sworn I put this up in the morph topic! Sorry!

 

[LepoInc]

Okay, I'll try to word this correctly. Bold/Stripes are polymorphic, which, like tangerine and carrot-tail, means it was line-bred for the desired trait. Ex.- Breeding normal with a slight bold look to them until you get more and more boldness to the offspring. So that's why it isn't in the genetic calculator.

But 'Giant' is a gene. Hence seeing it in the calculator. It's a dominant trait so you aren't going to get any het Giants, only Giant or normal. Hit or miss.

Tremper is a recessive, so that's why you'd get a het Tremper. For the sake of your brain, completely forget about the het Tremper as that plays no role in what you're aiming for.

Breeding a giant to a bold will result in 50% Giants, with either 'bold' or normal patterns. You're at a disadvantage since you are wanting to produce bolds but if you only have one bold, and she's a female, it will be a slow process. So you're going to want to incubate for male (unless you want to buy a male to speed up the process) and keep your fingers crossed that you will get a giant bold male. (That would be step 1 in this master plan of yours.)

If that doesn't answer your question, I can elaborate more in another post, but now I'm going to basically walk you through getting your pretty giant bold stripes.

Breed this pair until you get the giant bold male that you are happy with. Then take this male and breed him to momma. The bold x bold pair should yield a higher percentage of bolds, if not all bolds. Incubate all those eggs for female to aim for Giant Bold females. Hold back what you feel comfortable with, and what you feel is the best example of what you're aiming for (best to grow them out a few months so you can see what they're more likely to look like)

Now for that pesky het Tremper...
Unless the female you get is het Tremper, you won't get any albinos, only possible het Trempers. The percentage decreases with each generation, but the possibility is still there. But hopefully, if you get your Giant Bold Male early, you won't have to worry about the gene (and you could test your bold male to a visual tremper to see if he has the gene [I advise you do this[). All that you can figure out with the calculator though. Just don't worry about trying to put a 'bold' gene in as it has no effect.

I apologize if this is way more than you asked for and it just confuses you. Let me know if you need me to elaborate on anything.

On another note, I totally have a female bold stripe you could buy, but she's rather pricey. If you're interested, let me know.

 

[LepoInc]

And in all that breeding-ness of giants, you will probably get a few super giants as well. So that's always fun.

 

[berlynne83]

That was wonderfully and concisely explained! Thank you so much! It's like everything I've been reading over and over finally clicks and I'm not reading it like schematics for a automatic transmission! Thank you so much for helping clear that up for me, I actually feel like I finally understand!

 

[Boa'sUnlimited]

I follow 2 fairly simple rules with all reptile morphs, be it in Boa's, Leo's or anything else:

1: Know about ALL genetic possibilities of the animal (which traits are polymorphic, which are het, dom, co-dom, recessive, and what that all means... Example: recessive = needs two het parents, two visual parents, or a visual and a het to produce the morph again, dominant = 50% of babies will be that morph, polymorphic/polygenic = all babies will be a varying degree of the trait or will be normal ect)

2: Know how to calculate line bred traits to some degree. Of course, as you discovered, line bred traits have eluded our genetics calculators for a while, but thankfully, other peoples trial and error can relieve us of that frustration xD an example would be all the test breeding done to see what happens with Bold Stripes when bred. After some time, it was concluded that a top notch Bolds can produce low quality animals and high quality/everything in between. So by sourcing that info from others that have tested it themselves, mainly by reading breeder blogs/stories/forums like this, you can pretty much know what to expect when breeding line bred traits/morphs in general really.

As long as you have those 2 steps down, genetics is easy, easy, easy. It's just getting a handle on the actual genes, then the line bred possibilities.

(Although It sounds like you're well on your way, so I guess this is directed at any new keepers that may come across this)

 

[berlynne83]

Any and all advice won't be scoffed at! You've helped a great deal to get my head wrapped around this whole morph business,

 

[cowana]

Great job explaining that. I love when people explain explain the genetics of traits. Even though I feel like I am getting a pretty good hold on it, sometimes it gets explained in a way that makes it click even better. That or in a way that makes it easier to explain to another person. [emoji4]

 

[Boa'sUnlimited]

Any and all advice won't be scoffed at! You've helped a great deal to get my head wrapped around this whole morph business,

I'm glad I could help! Feel free to pm me any time if you need something.

Great job explaining that. I love when people explain explain the genetics of traits. Even though I feel like I am getting a pretty good hold on it, sometimes it gets explained in a way that makes it click even better. That or in a way that makes it easier to explain to another person. [emoji4]

Thanks, I try to put things in a way that makes it easier to approach, just as I needed some time ago. I remember making countless genetics threads on Boa's and always got either too simplistic of an answer or too complex, so I try to walk the line between those extremes, not too simplistic that the info is worthless, and not too complex that people get lost. After all, I doubt there's much that I can teach the experts / people with equal experience so why should I/others speak as if every person is an expert. Doesn't add up lol. So I think that's a big part of the effectiveness of someones post/the information they are conveying, and a lot of the members of this forum do that perfectly so kudos to this community as a whole.

 

[LepoInc]

Really all you need to know is how the gene works, the names and everything are just there to throw you off

 

[LepoInc]

And when I say 'the gene,' I mean how Recessive, Dominant, and Co-Dominant work. Then knowing what type the specific gene is. Ex.- Albino being recessive, Giant being co-dominant, and Hypo being Dominant.

I think I said in my previous post that Giant is dominant... So scratch that. I meant it's co-dom. (Meaning it has a super form)