"Giant" Mack Snow Raptor

[richardrojas]

Well today I received this gorgeous girl from a breeder down in IL. He told me that she is giant but I am just waiting to prove it out. She hatched on 6/5/10 and she measure 9 1/4" and weights 56g. What do you think, is she a giant? The breeder also called me yesterday asking me if I would like to receive a female Mack Snow and since I have 6 empty tubs why not? It is a free one!!! Here are the pics the raptor only have one eye with 20% eclipse. Also put a picture compairing her with my Mack Snow Tremper het Blizzard. I am not sure if he is a giant but he meseaure 10" and weights 95g, I bought him from Rampant Reptiles jus as a Mack Snow Tremper het Blizzard but this guy had been groing since then.

"Giant" Mack Snow Raptor

Mack Snow het Raptor

 

[tlbowling]

She's beautiful, but isnt she an APTOR, I thought RAPTOr's were supposed to have red eyes?

 

[richardrojas]

I think that Raptors are eclipse and aptors are het eclipse. Not sure. Mine is showing the eclipse gene this is why I am saying she is a Raptor.

 

[richardrojas]

I just looked for the info and an APTOR is just a Tremper Patternless Stripe it doesn't need to be het eclipse in the other hand Raptors are the same but with the eclipse gene.

 

[Quantumhigh]

She's beautiful, but isnt she an APTOR, I thought RAPTOr's were supposed to have red eyes?

they do, but not all raptors have completely red eyes. What makes it a Raptor and not an Aptor is the eclipse gene which can vary from two solid red eyes to just a shatter of a solid eyes what is called snake eyes. In the second up close eye shot you can see the eclipse eye in the upper part of the eye. If there is no eclipse gene in play its considered a Aptor. Note that some geckos that are homozygous for eclipse can show almost zero visual ques. Other then lack of pattern on there noses and a few other minor traits that one of the expert eclipse breeders would have spot out.

Beautiful Raptor BTW! :main_thumbsup:

 

[tlbowling]

they do, but not all raptors have completely red eyes. What makes it a Raptor and not an Aptor is the eclipse gene which can vary from two solid red eyes to just a shatter of a solid eyes what is called snake eyes. In the second up close eye shot you can see the eclipse eye in the upper part of the eye. If there is no eclipse gene in play its considered a Aptor. Note that some geckos that are homozygous for eclipse can show almost zero visual ques. Other then lack of pattern on there noses and a few other minor traits that one of the expert eclipse breeders would have spot out.

Beautiful Raptor BTW! :main_thumbsup:

I did see the eclipse eye, but I thought the whole point of them being called a RAPTOR, was that the "R" specified RED eyes? All these morphs are so confusing sometimes:main_huh:
I thought eclipse geckos always had to have half or the whole eye black, but I now find out that you can still consider a gecko an eclipse if it has a white nose?! :main_huh:

 

[Kristi23]

I did see the eclipse eye, but I thought the whole point of them being called a RAPTOR, was that the "R" specified RED eyes? All these morphs are so confusing sometimes:main_huh:
I thought eclipse geckos always had to have half or the whole eye black, but I now find out that you can still consider a gecko an eclipse if it has a white nose?! :main_huh:

I've hatched a few eclipse with normal eyes this season from an eclipse x eclipse pairing. In that case, you look for the white nose. A lot of times, they will be lacking in pattern on the legs, too. It's more about the genetics than the visual traits.

 

[Kristi23]

Nice Mack Raptor Richard! It's really pretty!

 

[tlbowling]

I've hatched a few eclipse with normal eyes this season from an eclipse x eclipse pairing. In that case, you look for the white nose. A lot of times, they will be lacking in pattern on the legs, too. It's more about the genetics than the visual traits.

So if I have a gecko who is het for eclipse, does that mean he's just het for the white nose, or het for the half to whole black eyes, or both?

 

[gixxer3420]

Nice looking raptor.

 

[richardrojas]

Thanks for the comments. Did somebody thinks that she is a Giant I bought her as a giant but don't know how to determine if she is one. I bought her since I want to produce some Super Raptors and Super Novas next season.

 

[ikantapa]

R = ruby eye

imho it's not raptor but APTOR with snake eye

 

[richardrojas]

R = ruby eye

imho it's not raptor but APTOR with snake eye

Aptor does not have the eclipse gene, Raptor does. From Trempers page "the A.P.T.O.R. = a Carrot-head, Carrot-tail, Hypo Tangerine, Patternless, Tremper Albino in both normal and Giant size. A.P.T.O.R.s have the regularly pigmented albino eye." "The R.A.P.T.O.R. is the albino expression of the new ECLIPSE mutation.""Both the Eclipse and the R.A.P.T.O.R. also have a new eye mutation whereby half a given eye is totally uniform in color and the other half of the same eye is regularly pigmented. This condition has been named "SNAKE EYES". Some individuals have one eye totally uniform in color and one snake-eye. Over 50 snake-eyes have been hatched from Eclipse and R.A.P.T.O.R. breedings."

In conclusion a Raptor does not need to have solid ruby eyes.

 

[UnicornSpirit]

I have the same situation...

I bought this girl who was being sold as a "Tangerine Tremper het RAPTOR". Orly???

So I looked closer at her and saw that she had a partial snake eye on her left eye. RAPTOR! What a buy too. Score! :]