Hatchling cage help

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WftRight

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I'm very new to crested gecko hatchlings, and my first four hatchlings this year died. I had them in round, plastic candy containers that were drilled with holes for ventilation. I was told by some people that these containers would be fine for hatchlings. Here's a picture of the basic setup.

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These containers are about seven inches diameter at the top and about six inches tall. I used paper towels for substrate and fake plastic plants for cover. I put each crestie in an individual container.

Typically, I've used slightly oversized cages for all of my animals, but I decided to use these because they were available and because someone had said that a little crestie might have trouble finding food in a big cage. When all of my hatchlings died, I wondered whether these cages weren't the problem.

I didn't think that I had any more good eggs. I could see one more in a container, but I thought it was a slug. I kept meaning to throw away the container, the substrate, and the bad egg. Much to my shock and pleasure, I came into the computer room one night to find the egg shriveled and two crestie hatchlings in the cage.

I've decided to put them in a large Kritter Keeper. Maintaining humidity is going to be harder, but I think that more ventilation will be worth the extra fight for moisture. I'm using paper towel substrate again. I bought a fake plastic flower garland at Big Lots and cut off about a third of the garland to use as cover and climbing toy. I wad the garland into a ball, and it fills about half the cage. When they climb inside this stuff, they are well hidden. I've also added a hide that becomes a humid hide as the paper towels become moist. The hide is just a disposable microwave veggie tray with the end cut off. The ceiling collects a great deal of condensation, so the humidity in the hide must be high. The rest of the cage is wet when I spray twice a day but dries out at other times.

Here are a couple of pictures. The first is an overview showing the stuff in the cage. (In the first shot, the plastic container around the Kritter Keeper is a big tub that I use as secondary containment when I take the Kritter Keeper outside. Cresties are really too quick for me, and I use secondary containment because I can't keep them in the Kritter Keeper.) The second is just a snapshot of these guys looking at me. They had never done that before tonight, and I just shot quickly with a little point-n-shoot. The snapshot gives another view of the cage. The wire is for a thermostat on another cage. Their cage doesn't have heat and stays about 75°F in this room.

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For those of you with experience raising little cresties, what do you think of this setup? Is keeping them together okay? If folks think this setup is good enough, I may get another Kritter Keeper and separate them.

I tried feeding the first ones primarily with pinhead and week-old crickets. I tried a little CGD plain and a little CGD mixed in baby food. To be honest, I hated dealing with the crickets, and with these guys, I halfway decided that I was just going to try to raise them on CGD. They won't eat every night, but at least one of them eats a bit of CGD every three or four days.

Thanks,


Bill
 
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WftRight

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If I'm going to ask for help, I should show babies.

Here's the first one on hatching night. I don't know what happened to her nose. That's how I found her.

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Here she is tonight.

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I didn't do anything, but the nose looks fine.

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Here's the other one on hatching night.

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Here he is tonight.

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His foot looks deformed in this picture, but the foot is fine. For some reason, he sometimes curls his toes in a way that makes them look missing. Does anyone else's hatchlings do this?
 
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REPEtc

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I have raised hatchlings in a set-up like that before with success. Just make sure to spray them regularly as maintaining humidity in kritter keepers can be a problem. But it sounds like you have the right idea. I have raised plently of crested geckos on just crested gecko diet. No baby food mixed in (high in sugar and they usually eat the CGD just fine) and no insects, and they do just fine.
 
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WftRight

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Thanks! Would you separate them to ensure that both are eating?
 

Valley Reptiles

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The first one that has the stuff on the nose is just the beginning of a shed, and it looks really good to be that young:).

The new setup is fine and ok to keep them together. I keep clutchmates together in Small KK's so that one will be more than enough room for the two.
 

supremegecko

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The saran wrap will reduce much of the air flow. A better suggestion would be to crumple up a paper towel and throw that in one of the corners (you may need to take out some of the plastic plants). Mist the entire enclosure but don't soak it. The additional paper towel will help hold in the humidity.
Another suggestion deals with the hide. Your setup is wonderful. I really like the fake foliage. However, I don't provide a hide for my youngsters until they are almost adult size. The additional paper towel does wonders as a hide.
Thanks for sharing.
 
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WftRight

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Thanks for all of the responses.

I suspect that my first hatchlings died because their ventilation wasn't good enough. As a result, I'm not going to be able to bring myself to covering the top in any way.

At this point, the hide functions as much as a dinner table as anything. I'll likely keep the hide as a place to set the food dish.

I may try crumpling some newspaper in a corner. I think newspaper would hold its shape better when damp than a paper towel would, and they could crawl inside the damp newspaper to get some humidity.
 

supremegecko

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Think of a moist paper towel just like you would think of a new fallen leaf in nature. The little crested gecko will crawl into the little areas of the towel and just be as happy as a bug in a rug.
 
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WftRight

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I found a good amount of crestie feces in the cage a day or so ago, so I did a cleaning and modified the cage a little. I was certainly encouraged to see the waste products. I can only hope that both of them are eating and pooping.

I added the paper towel, but I didn't remove the hide box. I'm not sure whether they would ever do the twisting needed to get into the hide box, but that area is there if they need it. When I cleaned the cage, the hide box still had condensation on the inside. I'm certain that the hide box is seeing 100% humidity. If they need the humidity for a shed, they have an area to go and find humidity. With the damp paper towel wadded next to the hide box, they have plenty of places to go to get very wet.

With the top of the cage still open, they will have good ventilation. At night, I sometimes find them up there grabbing a breath of fresh air. I still believe that a good humidity gradient will do them tremendous good.

Both of them weigh about 2.2 or 2.3 grams at about a month old. I had hoped that they'd weigh a little more. I'm glad that they weigh about the same and hope that means that both are eating. Last night, I found that their food was completely gone. I'm feeding them about five nights a week.

Here's a quick picture of the new setup.

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