Haven´t understood this complete (Aptor/raptor)

[supperl]

Okay just another question.
Both morphs are big bundle of genetic traits right?
1 simple question could clear me up:
Are the Genetic bundles for Aptor and raptor identically beside the colour of their eyes?
If not it´ll understand now^^.
Otherwise if they were, pairing a Aptor to a Raptor would give Aptor het Raptor right? Or is that wrong?

What happens than pairing Aptor to Aptor? No 100% chance to get Aptors here?

THX for help.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

A Raptor is simply an Aptor with the red-eyed gene. Aptor x Raptor will 'technically give you both morphs, but I have seen Aptor x Aptor also produce Raptors. Raptor x Raptor will give you 100% Raptors.

Keep in mind that both morphs are 'combination' morphs, meaning that there are more than one genetic trait involved, with the red-eyed gene a completely separate gene.

 

[supperl]

Hy Marcia and THX for reply.

The background of my question is the following:
I asked in another Thread what will come from Aphot het Raptor X Raptor.
My thesis was 50/50 Aptor het Raptor/Raptor.
I understood the answeres as that was wrong and their could also come jungles and stuff out of the egg.

Theirfore I asked in this thread again. if I pair them I would get at least Aptors i guess but I was told no.
But if Raptor is Aptor with R than a Aptor het Raptor or simply a Aptor * Raptor must give at least Aptors.

I was told that this wasn´t correct but that´s what I don´t understand as Raptors and Aptors are identically beside the R.

If I have an Tremper or a "normals" het Raptor than I could understand it that their could be anything but from the Aptor[het Raptor]*Raptor part their should be at least Aptors I would say...

Or am I totally wrong.....
THX for help and reading

 

[ataber]

Keep in mind that both morphs are 'combination' morphs, meaning that there are more than one genetic trait involved, with the red-eyed gene a completely separate gene.

The Raptor and Aptor are just names, they are not like an albino gene or genes similar to that one where when you breed albino to albino you get albino. The Raptor/Aptor morph is several traits that have been mixed together and therefore is not fully passed on everytime. The gene is just not as simple as that.

 

[supperl]

So you would say breeding Aptor to Aptor mustn´t produce Aptors?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Hi, I do not think anyone said you would not get Aptors, in the other thread. I know I was just simply saying that that`s not all you will get. Other patterns are possible besides the "Patternless Striped"(Aptor) types.

"Aptor" is just a pattern, but they also carry the whole range of patterns. That is why you cannot count 100% on hatching only one pattern.

 

[Sajane]

Out of a pairing of Jungle het Aptor x Aptor het Raptor i got Aptor's, Stripes, Jungle het Aptors, and even 1 snake eyed Raptor.... i love this combo, you never know what your gonna get

 

[okapi]

It all depends on the genes that the geckos you are breeding are carrying. It is not a simple recessive morph that always breeds true, it is a large combination of traits that are not all simple "on" or "off" one gene traits. Because it is such a large combination of highly variable traits, things dont always breed 100% true. Consider that, along with outbreeding in previous generations when trying to figure out what will be produced.

When it comes to body patterning, you have a chance of producing anything from patternless stripe ("aptor") to jungles, to stripes, to reverse stripes. Because the genetic package contains all of those traits. You also have to remember that some aptors/raptors actually hatched with patterns that faded away due to the "super tangerine" hypomelanistic trait. I have a RERS (red eyed reverse stripe) that I bought because I like reverse stripes better than patternless stripes. But as she grew from 20 grams to 30 grams, she completely lost her reverse stripe, it was taken over by the tangerine pigment. So now I have what looks like a "normal" raptor, but obviously can and will throw reverse striped babies. Especially since I am pairing her up with a giant CH CT tangerine jungle albino "het" eclipse and reverse stripe. And my male was produced by RT the year he first released the raptor morph. Its father was a raptor, and its mother was from his aptor project.

A good book for you would be "the herpetoculture of leopard geckos" because in it RT explains alot of what he did while creating the Aptor morph. (but this book was published before people knew about patternless stripes being the same thing as his "patternless" trait, so when he says "my new patternless trait" just realize that he is refering to what is now known as patternless stripes).

Basically look at every egg from your pairing as a suprise.

 

[supperl]

Hui okay I might get that book.
So to make it Simple, breeding Aptor*Aptor can bring a wide range of patterns and not only Patternless stripe.
One could say it´s a bit like a dominant trait sometimes you have it sometimes not.
Well I´ll take a look for the bookstores on the next Hamm Expo(maybe cheaper than buying directly from him maybe not we´ll see^^)

THX everyone

And Dan I didn´t ment that one told me I won´t get aptors, I ment that one told me I won´t only get Aptors^^

BTW: Don´t missunderstood me it´s good to have a wide range of possebilities so you have birthday on every egg that hatches^^