Help identifying morph

[TylerDurden]

Hey everyone! This is my first leopard gecko, I bought her at repticon a little over a week ago. I haven't been able to get many clear shots of her and I'm avoiding handling her still, but I took some video at the show of her and have a few shots from outside the tank. If I need a closer shot to identify her I'll get one when I start handling her outside the tank (probably another week).

The breeder I bought her from said she was a "Tremper R.A.P.T.O.R." but someone in the general discussion forum pointed out that it doesn't have red eyes and has a pattern. But later I read about the "snake eyes" raptor with the eclipse gene. I saw pictures of the snake eyed ones, I'm not sure if that's her eyes or not I can't get a good shot. So yea I'm completely clueless as to the morph so help me out if you can, thank you!!

 

[sunshinegeckos]

It would help if there was a pic

 

[TylerDurden]

It would help if there was a pic

there are pics they seem to take a while to load though

 

[im faster]

no red in the eye = no raptor.
it COULD be het for raptor

 

[TylerDurden]

no red in the eye = no raptor.
it COULD be het for raptor

but here it says there are also snake-eyed raptors

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Snake_Eyes

is the wiki wrong?

 

[TylerDurden]

also:
http://www.leopardgecko.com/raptors-aptors-eclipse

"Both the Eclipse and the R.A.P.T.O.R. also have a new eye mutation whereby half a given eye is totally uniform in color and the other half of the same eye is regularly pigmented (see photo below). This condition has been named "SNAKE EYES". "

I don't really get what the snake eye thing is but that's the only reason I ask, because there are now apparently "R.A.P.T.O.R." geckos with no red eye

 

[im faster]

There IS red in a snake eye. i didnt say solid red eyes..

they eye can be solid red or only a portion of it red. EITHER is a considered a raptor.

however if there is no red in the eye (NOT counting the pupil) it is not a raptor.

On some occasions the eye will start a snake eye and fade out so there is no red.
IMO that is no longer a raptor i would call it het for raptor at that point

 

[TylerDurden]

There IS red in a snake eye. i didnt say solid red eyes..

they eye can be solid red or only a portion of it red. EITHER is a considered a raptor.

however if there is no red in the eye (NOT counting the pupil) it is not a raptor.

On some occasions the eye will start a snake eye and fade out so there is no red.
IMO that is no longer a raptor i would call it het for raptor at that point

ooooooh I gotcha thanks for clearing that up!

so the morph would just be "het raptor"? Is any of the raptor trait expressed in the phenotype at all?(Sorry I'm not familiar with the gecko genetics and terminology yet)

 

[im faster]

Okay,
what we know is it is a tremper albino.
it does not have the patternless stripe
and it could be het for tremper.

So i would call it a Tremper albino possibly het eclipse.

 

[TylerDurden]

ok thanks!

 

[sunshinegeckos]

sorry it didnt load for me the first time lol Dennis is correct

 

[TylerDurden]

ok so I know those previous pictures weren't clear and were not taken in good lighting

I just had my gecko to the vet and it's the first time I had her out in direct light. Her eyes CLEARLY have red in them! I'll try and post pic in a few days next time I go to take her out (trying to limit handling still since she's still adjusting a bit and likes to bite).

So with red in her eyes would that make her indeed a RAPTOR or some variation of that?

 

[RampantReptiles]

On some occasions the eye will start a snake eye and fade out so there is no red.
IMO that is no longer a raptor i would call it het for raptor at that point

Keep in mind that this is an opinion. The fact of the matter is that if the gecko/s is homozygous eclipse (the part of a raptor that gives the solid/snake eyes) then it is eclipse. Ways to tell would be if it has expressed the eclipse gene anytime in its life (early on in life and it faded or has not faded) and has the other tell tale signs of an eclipse (white nose, white feet/legs) then it is indeed an eclipse.

If you could provide better/larger photos of the eyes, face, and body it would be easier to verify whether it is eclipse or not. From what I can see it is not homozygous eclipse and so it is not a RAPTOR.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Some examples of low expression eclipse (these are not albino so they are black instead of red but its the same concept)

White Noses: The white should go up into where the nostrils are.

White Legs and or Feet:

 

[TylerDurden]

thanks i'll try and get a clear picture up soon, hopefully by the end of the week.