Help! My Smiley won't eat!

tomcatguy74

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Hi all,

I've tried everything that I can think of to fix this problem that I'm having with my leo.
She has not eaten but maybe two maybe three wax worms and two small mealworms in about a month. She is definitely losing weight and I can tell but she is not anywhere near danger. I have no idea what has caused this but I can think of a view things that may have instigated it.
First there are three major changes that she has made a two month period.
The first one that changed was her sleeping habits. She used to sleep in a hide that sat between the cool side and the warm side of her terrarium. She now sleeps exclusively in her moist hide on the cool side. I will tell you that there've been one or two times that she has fallen asleep in the middle of the terrarium out in the open.

The second change that she has made was her pooping location. She used to poop in the back right corner of her terrarium on a white tile that I trained her to go on when I first brought her home. Then all of a sudden one day she started to poop in the left back corner of her terrarium.

The third and most important change that she has made that concerns me the most is that she has stopped eating altogether.

Changes that I have made to her terrarium are as follows:

I changed what used to be her sleeping hide from a small plastic IKEA bowl to a zoo med cave. She had no problem sleeping in this cave for the longest time.

When it started getting warmer out because I live here in Florida I changed her 40 W red heat lamp to a 25 Watts Moon bulb.

Her zoomed three and one repti shelter which was her moist hide started to break apart from the moisture changing the chemical composition of the resin it was made of. I complained to zoo med and they sent me a brand-new ceramic made three in one repti shelter for replacement.

The last major change that occurred in this time period was the size of her mealworm staple diet. I was using the container that had 500 counts mealworms that I bought from my pet store that is kept in the refrigerator to keep them fresh longer.
At the time they were small to medium-sized mealworms. She constantly had a bowl of these in her terrarium that she ate from whenever she wanted to. Every now and then I also would take her out of her terrarium and put her on a chair and let her chase some worms around and eat them and sometimes she would eat upwards to about 10 to 15 worms during that time.
She would eat them and have normal bowel movements and everything was fine.

Then there was a day that I went to the pet store to get more food and the only worms that they carry in the refrigerator were large mealworms. I needed food and that's all they had. So I bought it.
The next three weeks were quite interesting she would hammer these down just like she did the smaller ones. In fact it got to the point where I noticed she was substantially gaining weight and eventually turned into quite a chubby gecko.
I posted about her size on the forums here and was told just to stop giving her the extra feedings on the chair and wait until she loses some weight. So I followed the advice and eventually she started to lose weight but she still ate the large worms that I left in her bowl in her terrarium for her.

That was when all the other above changes that she made occurred.

I am now left with a still very active and healthy leopard gecko who has not eaten in almost a month and I'm worried for her.

What do I do?


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DrCarrotTail

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1. triple check your temperatures. If your house is over 65 degrees and you're using a heat lamp my guess would be your tank is too hot. Get a probe thermometer or Infrared temp gun, use an under tank heater, get rid of the light, and check twice a day for a week that there's no temp over 92 anywhere in her enclosure and her air temperature is 85 or below.

2. A nice soak in warm (90-95 degree) water never hurts.

3. check to see if she's ovulating

4. Weigh her once every week and don't panic unless she loses more than 10-20% of her body weight (depending on how fat she is to begin with). Stop tempting her with tasty foods and just offer a few healthy ones twice a week. Take out what she doesn't eat in 24 hours.

Leos stop eating for lots of reasons and most of them are normal. Unless she's acting sick, like regurgitating, limp when you pick her up, etc. I wouldn't worry.
 

tomcatguy74

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Hi Doc,
My house is about 81° and I use a heat lamp but the temperature in the tank never goes over 94 degrees as far as a probe thermometer that I have in there tells me.
I do have an under the tank heater that she has always had.

If I remove the lamp which I have been doing for quite a while now the temperature will go down as low as 84° And that's on the probe. I do have an infrared temp gun and I will start checking the surface temperatures tonight.

As far as the soaking in warm water, I have never done this. I am sort of nervous about doing it.

I don't have a gram scale right now so I do not know what her weight is. I do not know where I can get one of these things at a moments notice.

The only foods I have been tempting her with are only mealworms lately.




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tomcatguy74

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She is not acting sick or being limp when I pick her up. She is still very strong and if I put her on the floor she can run like crazy.


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tomcatguy74

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Why is it so hard get help on this forum?
As far as the pooping problem, it just got worse today. She has decided to poop back on the other side where she used to poop. The only problem is that I reversed her entire tank so that she would be pooping on the correct side. Now I don't know what to do. I think it may have something to do with the heat inside which I switched when I reversed the tank.
I just finished soaking her in warm water. We shall see what that might do. I I am extremely concerned now because it seems like there is nothing I can do to get her to eat. As far as what she looks like she th is completely healthy. That poop she made tonight was only urate. There was no brown in it whatsoever. I took her out tonight and attempted to feed her and she still does not want anything.

I am lost!

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rothsauce

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Doubt you need to rearrange the cage every time she changes spots, some leo's just decide they want a different place to do their business, and rearranging the cage to try and have them do what you want doesn't always work. So long as you can clean where she is currently going, it might be best to let her figure things out for herself.

Have you tried any other kinds of feeders? Crickets or roaches; something that might move around a bit more than worms.
Looking up older posts with similar issues, the cause can be many different things. There is no definitive answer. It could be stress from new items in the tank, rearranging the tank, no longer wanting a particular type of food, hunger strike, you name it.

You could try making a kind of slurry or soup, there are posts for that too if you use the search.

My newest leo is a dainty eater, and is not inclined to be on the same feeding schedule as her 'sister'. Sometimes she will eat a normal serving, other times maybe half that. Some days not at all, and I'm not quite sure she's used to the concept of 'bowl feeding' yet, so I end up tong feeding her or dropping food down to see if she will hunt.

If I'm not mistaken, the general agreement is to really worry about a loss of weight if it has gotten to more than 10-20% of their body weight.

http://geckoforums.net/f130-health-medications/100062.htm <--- Similar eating issue thread in Health and Medications
 

indyana

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Have to agree with the above. If you're worried about her losing weight, get a gram scale an start tracking. You can buy gram scale online or get them at a home goods / kitchen tools type store. Might even find one in your local grocery store, depending what they stock.

If you're sure the floor on the warm side is 88-92 F and she has a spot to cool down into 65-75 F as well, changing the setup isn't going to get her to eat. As Lisa originally said, your gecko might be in "breeding mode" and ovulating, which means she's not likely to eat anyway.

Rearranging the cage could stress her out more and prolong the period of not eating, so I'd leave her alone unless you need to do cage maintenance.

Sorry you haven't been getting replies, but I think a lot of folks just get tired of saying the same things over and over, especially when there are several threads going on the same topic already. :\
 

tomcatguy74

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I'm sorry about getting upset not getting replies. It's just that this is the first reptile I've ever owned for longer than six months. I guess I assumed that when she's ovulating that she would eat a little bit but I guess you guys are telling me that she won't eat at all and just live off of her fat reserves in her tail.

I guess I'm just going to have to deal with the fact that she's not eating because she's ovulating.


I just hope that she survives this because I read that some Leo's can get very sick and die while going through this process.

As far as where she's pooping now I think it has something to do with the warm because when I reversed her cage she pooped again over where it's warm. I guess I'm going to have to come up with a way for her to poop on something that I can clean easily. The tile that I trained her to go on was working great but now she's pooping in a place that I can't put a tile unless I get rid of a rock structure.


I am using repti carpet right now.
It is kind of a pain to clean so is there any other ideas you all might have?


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LeopardGeckoMom

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You can use paper towel, tile, shelf liner, or slate and probably more :) I find out where my leos poop then put a piece of folded paper towel where they poop, and they usually go there then I change it every mourning.

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indyana

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The not-eating thing can be really concerning when you first have reptiles. It's difficult for us warm-blooded creatures that need to eat several times a day to understand how they can just not be interested in eating for extended periods of time. :)

Warning signs that I would pay attention to: Weight loss, lethargy, abnormal feces, mouth inflammation, or other visible abnormalities. Otherwise, I've found it's common for my reptile pets to go off their food once or twice a year, especially during the cold months and breeding season. Or if they've been overfed and are a bit chubby.
 

DrCarrotTail

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I have several females that have just started eating again after a 3 month fast. They didn't eat a thing for 12 weeks. No joke. They really didn't lose more than 10% of their body weight so I wasn't super worried as I could see the ovulates in their bellies.

I got my gram scale on amazon. It was under $10. Well worth it to me: http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Weigh-S...F8&qid=1401223838&sr=8-10&keywords=gram+scale

If she's not eating she won't be pooping so don't freak out if she's not doing either. The time to freak is if she's eating like a pig and never pooping.

The water soaks don't have to be scary. Don't put her in enough water where she could drown, just about 1/4-1/2 inch of 90-95 degree water in a closed tupperware to let the humidity build up inside. leave her in there for about 10 minutes and then you're done. If you can see that she's obviously ovulating the hunger strike is normal and this is probably not necessary but shouldn't hurt either way.
 

tomcatguy74

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I believe she is coming out of it. She ate a lot two days ago and produced a big healthy poop yesterday. Yay!
I want to put something flat that will replace the tile I can't put in her new pooping area.
Can I use a paper plate or styrofoam ?


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rothsauce

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My two girls like to poop behind their warm hide, so I've been setting down paper towels since it is easy to fit into that specific corner and to remove when it needs changing. No specific pooping tile for me; my girls aren't that gracious!
 

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