Help with morphs.

[tremperjuno]

Dear all,

2 months ago I bought a Tremper leopard gecko and hence the introduction to a new found hobby. Since then I had bought another gecko called Sunglow. I have been reading a lot on the net but has yet to know what and how to identify the deferent morphs. For example...

1. What is an albino gecko, what features is there to identify it as an albino?

2. I know that a tremper breed is founded by Ron Tremper but what is a tremper breed, how to identify it?

3. A SHTCTB is one with a tangerine coloured tail and bald means there are no dots on its head or body. But how to identify a SHTCTB.

I wish there is a site which explain what is albino, Bell, raptor and not just show pictures etc...
Can someone help me?
Thanks

 

[cowana]

I am by far not the most experienced person here when it comes to genetics and morphs, but I will do my best to try and help. Someone who has more knowledge can hopefully fill in my holes.

Dear all,

2 months ago I bought a Tremper leopard gecko and hence the introduction to a new found hobby. Since then I had bought another gecko called Sunglow. I have been reading a lot on the net but has yet to know what and how to identify the deferent morphs. For example...

1. What is an albino gecko, what features is there to identify it as an albino?

An albino gecko isn't what you think of when you think of in say people (no pigment). In geckos it means it is lacking black pigment, so it will still typically have yellow with brown pattern. There are 3 types (that should never be mixed... Not compatible, separate genes) the Tremper, Bell, and Rainwater. They are supposed to have subtle differences in patterns and eyes, but they don't always hold true, so the only way to really 100% know which one you have is through genetics.

2. I know that a tremper breed is founded by Ron Tremper but what is a tremper breed, how to identify it?

A Tremper is an albino (see above) so it will lack black pigment. They only true way to know you have a Tremper is by knowing the geckos genetic history.

Ron Tremper has also created a few other morphs. He is a huge name in LGs.

3. A SHTCTB is one with a tangerine coloured tail and bald means there are no dots on its head or body. But how to identify a SHTCTB.

A SHTCTB is a "Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail Baldy". This gecko will have have a yellow-tangerine body color but will not not have any spotting on its body (including legs) and head. It will also have orange on the base of its tail to give a carrot tail. This is a picture of my SHTCTB. She barely has a carrot-tail so she isn't the best example of the tail, but it is there.

I wish there is a site which explain what is albino, Bell, raptor and not just show pictures etc...
Can someone help me?
Thanks

The morphs section of www.leopardgeckowiki.com is a good place to start learning about the different morphs. It gives a basic description of most.

Amy

 

[fisherda1st1]

@cowana. That is the most information I got since I joined this forum 2 days ago I recently fell in love with Leo's and I'm passionate about the hobby. Like others u to also would like to know what my babies are before I start to breed them as to help me to label and keep track of them I went from 1 to six in a week all my babies are from jabberwok my local reptile breeders but they have recently stopped the breeding of Leo's. I was fortunate to be able to purchase a couple of there female breeders. So I'm researching how to tell there genetics but any help and or advice is apreciated


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[geckolabs]

Dear all,

2 months ago I bought a Tremper leopard gecko and hence the introduction to a new found hobby. Since then I had bought another gecko called Sunglow. I have been reading a lot on the net but has yet to know what and how to identify the deferent morphs. For example...

1. What is an albino gecko, what features is there to identify it as an albino?

2. I know that a tremper breed is founded by Ron Tremper but what is a tremper breed, how to identify it?

3. A SHTCTB is one with a tangerine coloured tail and bald means there are no dots on its head or body. But how to identify a SHTCTB.

I wish there is a site which explain what is albino, Bell, raptor and not just show pictures etc...
Can someone help me?
Thanks

Like Amy mentioned, Leopardgeckowiki is a good place to start with morph information and identification. However, keep in mind that some of the information presented on the site is outdated.

Albinism in geckos, yes, is simply the lack of black pigmentation. However, some may still present with random patches of black. Those would be called paradox spots, as they are not something typically presented by that trait.

There is Tremper albino, bell albino, and Rainwater albino. These three types of albinism are not compatible (meaning that breeding Tremper x Bell will NOT give you albinos.) Without parental information for a particular animal, it is impossible to say, with 100% certainty, which strain an animal is. This is due to the massive amounts of linebreeding for particular looks. So you may have two animals, one being tremper, and the other being bell, that visually look nearly identical.

And SHTCTB is a line bred 'morph', resulting from continual selective breeding animals with less body pattern. So any animal that is nearly visually identical to a SHTCTB could be labeled as such, as there is very little room for variation when you're talking about the lack of any patterning. In animals that may have pattern on their head, they simply lack the 'B' in the label, making them just Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail.

If you're interested in more of the nitty-gritty details of genetics and some of the backgrounds of the morphs, I also moderate a facebook group solely focused on intelligent discussion/debate and passing knowledge down to newcoming hobbyists. https://www.facebook.com/groups/345210672310425/

 

[tremperjuno]

Thank you Cowana and geckolabs for taking the time to explain to me. You have explain more than what I can find on the net. Why can't someone just states that an albino means there are no spots on a gecko body. I know with so many breeders and breeds, it is getting more difficult to identify a gecko.

I bought 'Juno' from a pet shop and it says its a Tremper Leopard Gecko.


I bought a second gecko called 'Orange' from a pet owner and he says its a Sunglow



I am from Malaysia and breeders may not be so scientific and specific with genetics. There are many home breeders and selling them for fun. Can you verify or at least give me a little clue if these geckos are Tremper and Sunglow as I was told. 'Orange' looks more like a SHTCT to me but then I read that a Sunglow comes out of SHTCT strain...

 

[Kristi23]

I moved this into a thread of its own.

 

[Kristi23]

You got a lot of great answers to get you started. You can check out Leopard Gecko Wiki along with this site for help with morphs. There are also a few decent books out there that may help you. It will take some research and reading, but you can find info on most morphs online (and even here in this sub forum).

 

[cowana]

TremperJuno-

First, by all means you are welcome. If you have specific questions I'm sure the members here will do their best to answer them. They've always been really welcoming and helpful to me. [emoji4] You can also keyword search the subforums and see if there might already be an explanation. I know sometimes "Art Geckos" does genetics explanations like "How To Make" or "Fun With Morphs (Genetics)". They've taught me a lot! [emoji3]

Juno is definitely an albino looking at the picture. Missing the black pigment, with brown patterning. The only way to know the strain is genetics so if the breeder told you it was a Tremper Albino I would gather it is probably a safe bet that is the strain Juno is.

As for your Sunglow, she appears to be one to me. A Sunglow is basically a SHTCTB that is a very vibrant orange-tangerine that is from a patternless Tremper Albino. Does that make sense? The only spots I see are on her tail and they are brown which makes me think the albino part of her is correct. You'd need to check her eyes.

The Sunglow was originally developed by The Urban Gecko and here is their description of it.

http://www.theurbangecko.com/leopard-geckos/sunglow

Without knowing either animal's genetics I can't 100% say they are a Tremper & Sunglow, but I don't think the animals were misrepresented to you. They both appear to be what they were sold as. [emoji4]

 

[tremperjuno]

Thank you Cowana...
Determining a gecko morph is tough especially for a newbie like me. What is it about Juno that makes it a Tremper? I thought Albino means no spots on its body.

As for Orange...yeah I think it is a Sunglow...I love it. Does Super Hypo means they are very active because Orange is much more active than Juno, He runs off your hand...

 

[cowana]

Thank you Cowana...
Determining a gecko morph is tough especially for a newbie like me. What is it about Juno that makes it a Tremper? I thought Albino means no spots on its body.

As for Orange...yeah I think it is a Sunglow...I love it. Does Super Hypo means they are very active because Orange is much more active than Juno, He runs off your hand...

You're welcome. Morphs are hard; there are so many of them. They get even harder when you get to hets (what they are heterozygous for) and possible hets.

These are some common terms you will hear or see a lot. Juno's genetic background first and foremost makes him a Tremper Albino.. But you can identify him as an Albino, by his yellow base with his brown spotting. If you google pictures of albino leopard geckos they will all have a similar look. Do you understand?

Albino- No black pigment or spots anywhere on the gecko; most of the time will have brown spots on the head, body, and/or tail.

Hypo- Less than 10 spots spots of any color on the body. It doesn't count the spots on head or tail.

Super Hypo- No spots of any color on the body. It doesn't count the spots on the head or tail.

Baldy- No spots on the head. It doesn't count on the body or tail.

Paradox- A single spot of color that isn't supposed to be on that morph. For example: Black spot on an Albino, Yellow Spot on a Blizzard, etc.

As far as I know Sunglows aren't more active than Albinos by nature. I think that must just be Orange's personality, and Juno's personality is to be more laid back. [emoji4]

 

[tremperjuno]

Now I see Cowana, the way you explain Albino, Hypo, Super Hypo and Baldy does clear the air for a newbie like me. You see when I first bought Juno, he is so calm and walks around your hand but as for Orange, its difficult to hold him, he is always running thus I thought 'super hypo', like some kids...lol. And really there isn't any clear explanation elsewhere. All those site does is a general identity and pictures. How would a picture explain to me what is an Albino..well I guess that's what make it interesting. Now I am getting crazy over Sunglows and SHTCT, going for a few more.

 

[cowana]

No problem! Sunglows and SHTCT are really pretty! I enjoy them a lot, also. [emoji4]