Hot Females

[Brian O]

I was posting on another forum about a different subject when I mentioned that temp fluxes can not only be fatal but cause deformity. They then said that they had used Trempers Hot Female technique with great results.

I followed by saying this not only makes a abnormally agressive female but quite possibly a sterile one. Also you are creating a gecko that looks one way but will more than likely not really have the genetic charecteristics it portrays. So when the unsuspecting person buys this gecko and ends up breeding it they get far less than what they are assuming from the pairing do to the false portrayal in this technique.

I then said that anyone practicing this should label all geckos as incubated in this manner to ensure they are not misrepresenting anyone.

What are some of your opinions on this?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

this not only makes a abnormally agressive female but quite possibly a sterile one.

That is true in only some females that come from high temp incubation. If you change the method a little bit, and go from 83 dg. to 86-87 it has worked just fine. I have only done this w/ a few eggs though. Some others have done about the same, they say, with good results also.

you are creating a gecko that looks one way but will more than likely not really have the genetic charecteristics it portrays. So when the unsuspecting person buys this gecko and ends up breeding it they get far less than what they are assuming from the pairing do to the false portrayal in this technique.

This is not really the case, a female of high quality/good lineage, incubated at any temperature, whether flaming orange, or some of that color is masked by some melanin, will still produce the same babies. She is still the same animal, the color will still be there, etc.

This all really only pertains to Tremper Albinos, but

I can make "nice" looking females using constant temps in the mid-range. My advice for the unsuspecting/unknowning person, would be to just not incubate in the lower range, and they will get exactly what the genetics are capable of.

It would be a good idea to disclose that information, sure. I agree, and I dont think using that exact method is very good, but it is not really that misleading as far as color. You can easily pick a high color/quality Tremper Albino even if she has a little bit of darker marking coming through.

Maybe its just me but I think the lower temp, or cooled Trempers still look awesome. Many of them lighten up as they grow too. I also think that those darker colors mask some of the "natural" color, not the other way around.:main_cool3:

 

[Brian O]

A few years ago I tried the temp change method. I used it on Hypo CTs. The females all ended up nicer than what they had been hatching as. One of these females is as hot as it gets. She prolapsed one stud and chased another that outweighed her by nearly 20 grams back into a cave. Out of all the females that I tried this with none produced what I would normally expect from animals that looked like them. This was tried with TUG,Ray Hines,and Albey lines. All females were SHTCTB and not one out of the three I had produced a SHTCTB. Most were Hypo with CT.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I have a problem like that w/ a female Giant Reverse Stripe Tremper Albino, that came straight from, you know who. She is really nice to me, but I put my BIG Aptor in with her, and he would end up hiding from her!

Didnt know it would make that much difference on others morphs color.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I have never had a 'hot' female.

 

[Brian O]

It made a hypo near super into a SHTCTB. It also seemed to make the color more vibrant. Which was easily noticable when compared to what would have been siblings. I didn't even think of the effects on temperment or fertility until the following breeding season. Also the improved color was not passed to their offspring.
Out of aproximately 30 eggs I only hatched 8. Of those only three were sucessfully impregnated. Of those three none were good breeders with the most productive laying 10 eggs in a season. None of these showed any signs of visible deformities.
Maybe this was just a case of murphy's law once again beating me down.