ID help...

[Pickles457]

i need someone to let me know what these two are. i thought the first one was a striped Aptor. But then the second hatched out and its patternless, but doesnt have solid eyes like a Raptor, the eyes look red-ish...but no solid spots on either of the eyes. The pairing was a tr. albino het raptor X aptor het raptor. any input is greatly appreciated! Thanks.

-also are all of the offspring het raptor?

 

[Wandering Paddle]

you got it right. the first one is striped and the second is patternless stripe, or so it appears in the pictures. The various stripe genetics of the raptor type lines can throw out some awesome and highly variable patterns

 

[Nigel4less]

1) Tremper Reverse Stripe 66% Possible Het Eclipse

2) APTOR 66% Pos. Het RAPTOR

 

[Pickles457]

i was really unsure of the second one because i had one hatch out that looked just like that one except solid red eyes. thanks for the replies, so het raptor X het raptor =66% hets? one day ill understand the genetics:main_robin:

 

[Wandering Paddle]

it is 66% because the parents are passing a total of 4 possible alleles per gene. in hets you have one 'normal' allele for a trait and one mutated allele, in this case the eclipse eye mutation. Each parent can pass one of their two alleles to an offspring. E represents eclipse and e represents normal eyes. In the case of het X het you can pass E and e, e and e, E and e, and E and E. two "E"s means the gecko expresses the eclipse trait. Ee represents a 100%het animal. ee is a gecko that is homo for "normal" eyes and does not express the eclipse trait, that is 0% het. So you have 3 possible outcomes, if a gecko express the trait then you know it carries the genetics for it, but what about the ones that dont show it? You know statistically that 2 out of 4 animals are het, 1 is homo, and 1 doesnt carry the trait at all, so from the 3 that are left (that are visibly the same in terms of eclipse eyes) you statistically have a 66.6% chance of having one them be het for the trait.

(keep in mind that raptor is tremper eclipse, your geckos are already tremper so we are only talking about the eclipse trait in this het situation when referring to het raptor. The geckos are homozygous for tremper so can only pass one of the tremper alleles).

Basic Punnet square stuff... i hope this helped more than confused

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Ee represents a 100%het animal.

:main_no: Not in the case of these hatchlings. I think you meant "Ee represents a 66% het animal".

 

[Pickles457]

i understand the punnet square its getting the percents right and making sure that who ever ends up with one of my geckos gets the right thing. i really appreciate the help, this forum rocks!


this may be a stupid question, but do aptors and raptors look indentical except for the eyes? because you(wandering) agreed with me, and Nigel4less had a different response. i have one that looks aidentical to the second gecko, but has solid red eyes. sorry if im re-itterating myself, im just trying to get it right.:main_huh: thanks again for the replys

 

[Wandering Paddle]

:main_no: Not in the case of these hatchlings. I think you meant "Ee represents a 66% het animal".

If the animal is Ee then it is 100% het, but it looks the same as an animal that is ee. ee is 0%het. for every 2 Ee there is a EE and ee. you know EE carries the trait so it is out of the het consideration. you are left with 3 animals, 2 are het and 1 is not but they look the same. No one animal can ever be 66% het, it either is or is not. The 66% comes from the 2/3 of the non-eclipse offspring that mathematically should be het.