Mack snow, codom, snow

[Nahph1]

I have seen very similar looking geckos labled as Mack snow, snows, codoms, are there any difference between these geckos? Or are they just different names for the same morph? Anyone? Thanks, :main_huh:

 

[Vamp523]

same morph different name, Im not sure what the codom is but it's the same morph.

 

[GeckoRing]

There are several snow morphs that are not the same. Mack snows, when bred together can produce a "super". There are also line bred snows and then there are Urban Gecko line and the Gemsnows. Those are both a form of dominant snows (possibly codom or incomplete dominant).

 

[supperl]

I have seen very similar looking geckos labled as Mack snow, snows, codoms, are there any difference between these geckos? Or are they just different names for the same morph? Anyone? Thanks, :main_huh:

I´ve seen normal Mack Snows named as co-dom snows. So I would say co-dom and MS is the same and on "Snows" as already said you could see linebred snows.

 

[Stitch]

Mack Snow is the original name for the co-dominant type snows. Some call it codom I guess, as to not cause confusion. Codom refers to the types of gene that causes the snow coloration. These MS can create Super Snows when bred together and to get technical there is NO super form due to it being a codominat gene. A MS or codom is actually a visual het for the Super Snow geckos. For example if you have a normal looking gecko that is het for albino you wouldn't know that it is het for albino unless you breed it to another known het or an albino. That is because the albino gene is recessive. When you breed a MS to a MS you get a 25% chance of producing Super Snows, 25% will be normals and 50% will be hets or MS or codom whatever you want to call them.

Ok, who did I confuse?

 

[Nahph1]

snow morphs

Thanks for the info everyone. :main_thumbsup: I understand s. snow and how mack snow and co dom could be interchangeable. But what then is a line bred snow. Combining them doesnt make s. snows? :wall:

 

[trizzypballr]

Mack Snow and Super snow are not interchangable. A Super Snow is the super version(homozygus) of a Mack snow(heterozygus). They both belong to the Mack Snow line, which is a co dominant trait. A line bred snow would be as everyone already said the gem snow line, or Urban Snow line. They are both claimed to be dominant traits, but you can still linebreed them to make whiter snows. Linebreeding is taking your whitest snows and breeding them to make whiter snows. Same as the tangerine trait works. When breeding linebred snows you will never produce a super snow, although breeding a linebred snow to a mack snow you will produce super snows.

 

[Stitch]

...although breeding a linebred snow to a mack snow you will produce super snows.

I disagree with that. I beilieve that it is only the Gem Snows that can be bred with a MS to produce a SS. Not all line breds carry that capability. We may need to get Albey in on this to help confirm, but I feel 99.9% that I am right.

Right now I have only dealt with LBS (line bred snows) from Albey and Shelly groups. I have not produced any SS and I do not expect to because mine are line bred. I did pick up a baby MS at the MARS show and I might breed it to my LBS to test the theory. But it was purchased more as a pet then a breeder.

 

[okapi]

When breeding linebred snows you will never produce a super snow, although breeding a linebred snow to a mack snow you will produce super snows.

That has happened but it is not known if that is always the case and why it happened at the genetic level.

My theory is that one of the loci responsible for the reduced color in the linebred snow and the loci of the gem snow, are the same loci that the mack gene inhabits. And if that is the case, then the linebred and gem snow genes at that loci are even more recessive to the mack gene than the normal gene for that loci.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

That has happened but it is not known if that is always the case and why it happened at the genetic level.

My theory is that one of the loci responsible for the reduced color in the linebred snow and the loci of the gem snow, are the same loci that the mack gene inhabits. And if that is the case, then the linebred and gem snow genes at that loci are even more recessive to the mack gene than the normal gene for that loci.

This is very correct! Since John Mack himself does not know how the snow 'popped' out in his colonies, it could very well be that the Mack co-dom and other line-bred snows are genetically similar. There have been Super Snows produced by breeding Mack's co-dom morph to line-bred snow morphs.

 

[trizzypballr]

Right now I have only dealt with LBS (line bred snows) from Albey and Shelly groups. I have not produced any SS and I do not expect to because mine are line bred. I did pick up a baby MS at the MARS show and I might breed it to my LBS to test the theory. But it was purchased more as a pet then a breeder.

So you are saying that you havent produced any super snows, but then your saying that you have never bred a mack to any of your line breds? It doesnt make any sence at all to say that someone else is wrong, when you have never tryed it yourself. I was posting on what other breeders have stated before. I have heard that Supers were produced when breeding a mack to a line bred, and when breeding a mack to the urban snows. I myself have no clue how it actually works, but know that people have done it. If you need it proven out, I have a few diff adult male macks, send some linebreds over and ill prove it out for ya

 

[Stitch]

So you are saying that you havent produced any super snows, but then your saying that you have never bred a mack to any of your line breds? It doesnt make any sence at all to say that someone else is wrong, when you have never tryed it yourself. I was posting on what other breeders have stated before. I have heard that Supers were produced when breeding a mack to a line bred, and when breeding a mack to the urban snows. I myself have no clue how it actually works, but know that people have done it. If you need it proven out, I have a few diff adult male macks, send some linebreds over and ill prove it out for ya

The only time that I have heard of someone getting a SS from a MSxLine bred is when they were using a Gem Snow (being the LB trait). From my understanding the Gem Snow line is different from Albey's or Shelly's lines. My male LB is from Albey's line and the female is from Shelly's line. Out of 6 or 7 babies that I hatched out this season from that pairing, none were SS.

I did say that I disagree and felt that I was (99.9%) right. Plus I did agree that I have heard it was done. I also said this:

Not all line breds carry that capability. We may need to get Albey in on this to help confirm...

I said that because he breeds both MS and LB. I don't ever recall him saying that he has produced SS from mixing those types of snows. I know on his website he has crosses (MSxFasciolatius), but again I don't recall seeing any SS from those crosses. I would have figured he would have a SS by now from those mixings IF it was possible.

 

[yupik]

There were a lot of discussions on this forum about mixing snows and I am pretty sure that someone told that TUG snow x MS also produced super snows.

 

[trizzypballr]

The only time that I have heard of someone getting a SS from a MSxLine bred is when they were using a Gem Snow (being the LB trait). From my understanding the Gem Snow line is different from Albey's or Shelly's lines. My male LB is from Albey's line and the female is from Shelly's line. Out of 6 or 7 babies that I hatched out this season from that pairing, none were SS.

It only works when a Mack Snow is one of the parents, but I am pretty positive it has been proven with each line of snow that when they are bred to a Mack Snow you can produce super snows

 

[Stitch]

It only works when a Mack Snow is one of the parents, but I am pretty positive it has been proven with each line of snow that when they are bred to a Mack Snow you can produce super snows

I guess I will find out for sure when my MS grows up. Right now the little guy/gal only weighs 11 grams.