Morph calculator

[Thorgecko707]

http://www.leopardgeckomorphcalculator.co.uk/MorphCalculator.aspx

How do you get bold dorsal stripe to show up on the calculator?

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I only breed banded geckos with the dorsal stripe. Does it show up in jungle patterns? I have seen it in patternless.

 

[fuzzylogix]

that would be a polygenic trait. chances of offspring showing that trait are better if both parents express it.

 

[Thorgecko707]

that would be a polygenic trait. chances of offspring showing that trait are better if both parents express it.

That's what we found over the last five years. I love something about the dorsal stripe. People laugh, but I'm starting to get it to go to tail tip. I think pattern is just as important as getting a green or blue gecko.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Does anyone know where a more "complete" morph calculator is? This one is way too incomplete. It doesn't have Bold Stripe, Gem Snow, Halloween Mask....I could go on and on and on. I know there are waaaaaay too many morphs and names out there but it would be nice if it had quite a few more morphs or even traits listed. Anyone else think this is weak? Just my humble opinion.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Gem's a dom so you have a 50/50 shot of hatching one or not. HWM is a line bred trait that you can't add into a calculator. Bold Stipe is a line bred trait that can't be calculated either through a calculator.

If you start crossing HWM and/or other polygenic traits into other morphs you always have to remember to get what you are looking for it will take a minimum 2 years.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

I understand that, but it would be nice to know what you would get if you entered a...lets say....RAPTOR male and female HM....just for fun. I'm just saying. It gets very complicated because of the line breeding but damn.....I was just dreaming. Maybe I'm looking for a "line breeding calculator"! Ha Ha Ha!!
Thanks for your input Ryan. Love your website btw. Brittney does good work!

 

[Thorgecko707]

Wasn't h/m just a normal that was line bred for the awesome markings? If so, a raptor x h/m would make a normal het albino het patternless reverse stripe het eclipse. Right?

 

[Taquiq]

Wasn't h/m just a normal that was line bred for the awesome markings? If so, a raptor x h/m would make a normal het albino het patternless reverse stripe het eclipse. Right?

with varying degrees of markings on the head, depending on the quality of the parents.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

What would a pure HM and a 100% bold stripe produce?
Thanks

 

[Taquiq]

I believe you would get varying degrees of Stripes, Halloween masks, and Jungles.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Thanks Joey. I pretty much figured that, but wanted clarification. Not sure about the jungles though. I was also told that I would get bold stripes with HM heads and some straight HM's too. I guess I will find out. Thanks again.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

When crossing a HWM to anything other then a HWM you will NOT get HWM in the first generation. I don't think that people understand how the HWM works. Once you outcross it, it takes 2-3 years to get the trait to exhibit itself again.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Wasn't h/m just a normal that was line bred for the awesome markings? If so, a raptor x h/m would make a normal het albino het patternless reverse stripe het eclipse. Right?

This is wrong. You can't have something that is het for patternless reverse stripe. That's just like saying het for Orange or het Bandit. The closest thing that you can call something het for that is not recessive is Super Snow. All Co-Dom Snow are het Super Snow.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

As usual, you are a wealth of knowledge Ryan. Thank you for your insight. I am working on several HM crosses right now and was hoping to see some results next season. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Update...

After talking to Brittney at Pacherp, she assured me that the offspring from her PURE HM bloodline...(the original bloodline) crossed with a bold stripe as well as a lavender gem snows will exhibit HM traits 1st generation, guaranteed. She was the 1st person to work with the HM after the originator and is the only person in the U.S. to work with the HM for 4 years running. She has proof of it with all of her projects. I am going to take her word for it for now and hopefully turn out some 1st gen HM cross offspring. Should have eggs in 2 weeks or less. Let's see what happens!

 

[yellermelon]

I have a idea. Why don't you contact Paul Allen he's worked with them for years. Albey originally owned them and worked with them for years before Paul. I myself have a wealth of knowledge as I was among the first to work with them as well. You could even go search some of the post me, and Paul made here or you could check my website for morph info to help you with your concerns. Hope that I was of some assistance.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Update...

After talking to Brittney at Pacherp, she assured me that the offspring from her PURE HM bloodline...(the original bloodline) crossed with a bold stripe as well as a lavender gem snows will exhibit HM traits 1st generation, guaranteed. She was the 1st person to work with the HM after the originator and is the only person in the U.S. to work with the HM for 4 years running. She has proof of it with all of her projects. I am going to take her word for it for now and hopefully turn out some 1st gen HM cross offspring. Should have eggs in 2 weeks or less. Let's see what happens!

Well them I'm sure she also informed you on how polygentic traits work when doing outcrosses. When you take something that has been bred for nearly 10 years and outcross it to something that is non-related you are diluting what was worked on.

We'll just use a SHT as an example. You can take the BEST SHT and cross it to a normal. At that point in time you will have hatchlings with varying degrees of hyponess.

I have cross from Pure HWM (First one sold, after the collection was purchased by Paul Allen) x Pure Gem Snow. None of them exhibit what would be classified as a HWM. I have since crossed those Gem/HWM back to the HWM. Which at that point in time this would be 2nd generation Gem Halloween Mask.

I think what is best would be to have a good long conversation with Jeff Galewood Jr, Paul Allen, or Albey Scholl to get a real eduction on polygentic traits. They will all tell you that first gen outcrosses will not give you good examples of the original trait.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

I understand what you are saying and thank you for your input again Ryan.

All I wanted to know was whether or not the mask COULD show up when crossed in the first generation. You are pretty much positive that I will NOT get any HM pattern in my pairings, and I'm sure theres a reason for that from your experience breeding them. But I have been told the opposite by not only Brittney, but by another very well known, large breeder, whose name I will withhold, as I'm not sure I am at the liberty to quote him. Whether or not it is enough to be considered a "good example of the original trait", I'll wait and see. But I have been told that it will show itself by other breeders. So I don't think I need to have another good long conversation with anyone about it since the project has already been put into motion. Either way, its a several year project for me to line breed them, and I'm very excited to work with a couple of my favorite geckos.

I'm not saying you are wrong, or they are wrong, or anything like that. I respect your knowledge as well as the other breeders I have spoke with about this. I will see what I get and hope for the best. Isn't that the fun part of doing this? When the egg hatches and SURPRISE!! It's kinda like Xmas to me. I love to see what hatches. They are all unique when they come out....no cookie cutters involved, just beauty. IMHO.

Again, thanks for your response Ryan and good luck with your projects as well.