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Swiechu

Swiechu

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Hi,

I have problem with my small gecko from my breeding. In this season I "used" male Blazing blizzard (it was my first breeding season). The female's are two Classic and one Sunglow from Bell line. Let my show my babies.

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This two geckos is from Sunglow female. I caluclated it and the result was that it would be 100% hypos. When I look at them they doesn't look like hypo, for me they have too many spots.... What do you think?

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All geckos from this picture is fromm Sunglow female, so all should be a Hypo one's.

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This one is the oldest baby from Sunglow female. Without tail she/he is 12 g. Also, think that there are too many spots on his/her body.

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The last one is from Classic female and he is 22 grams. Funny but he looks more like hypo than the other one's.

Any ideas? Would babies lost this spots with few next molts?
 
Swiechu

Swiechu

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Yes, I know it, but the major question is, would their lost this spots with next molts? At this moment I have a nice SHTCTB male, so next babies should be better.
 
RampantReptiles

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When you breed a Super Hypo or Sunglow to a non-hypo you will produce 100% geckos with varying degrees of hypo. This cross does not always give great hypos, it may result in high yellows. All your geckos are exhibiting the hypo genetics just some have more and some have less to the point of having hardly any at all.

Is this Blazing Blizzard a Tremper or a Bell? If its a Tremper then you crossed albino lines which is highly frowned upon. :(
 
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100yan

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Swiechu said:
This two geckos is from Sunglow female. I caluclated it and the result was that it would be 100% hypos. When I look at them they doesn't look like hypo, for me they have too many spots.... What do you think?
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In your calculation, did you consider if your female Sunglow is homozigous or heterozigous for the Hypo trait? If it is homozigous (has 2 copies of the Hypo allele) that the result should be 100% Hypo hatchlings. Obviously, this is not your case, therefore your female is probably heterozigous for the Hypo trait. Then the probability to have normal or hypo hatchling is 1:1 , in other words - theoretically 50% of the offspring are expected to be Hypo and the other 50% - normals.
 
Swiechu

Swiechu

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100yan said:
In your calculation, did you consider if your female Sunglow is homozigous or heterozigous for the Hypo trait? If it is homozigous (has 2 copies of the Hypo allele) that the result should be 100% Hypo hatchlings. Obviously, this is not your case, therefore your female is probably heterozigous for the Hypo trait. Then the probability to have normal or hypo hatchling is 1:1 , in other words - theoretically 50% of the offspring are expected to be Hypo and the other 50% - normals.
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You are right! I didn't think about this, that my female is Sunglow het. RADAR. Do you see in this small gecko group, one which could be a hypo?

To RampantReptiles
My male is from tremper line. I know that i crossed an albino lines, but on this forum, and another which I read, there are different opinions about crossing the albino lines. One group says "Oh my God, you crossed the albino line, you have "dirty" babies", but at this momment I don't have any problems with my small friends. Second group says "Why not, there is no people who want to work with this project, maybe you will get a new information, maybe a new morph, you should try" So, I think that is nothing wrong with my geckos and nothing wrong witch this cross.
 
Taquiq

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It is not clear whether the Hypo is a dominant or line bred morph. I personally believe they are line bred but others have different opinions. So you will get varying degrees of Hypos, some High Yellow, but don't always rely on percentages, especially with the Hypo morph. Some females may throw you very nice Hypos,
while others may not.
 
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100yan

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Swiechu said:
Do you see in this small gecko group, one which could be a hypo?
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They are young and it is not quite easy to tell, but the right down individual looks as a Hypo to me.


Swiechu said:
I know that i crossed an albino lines, but on this forum, and another which I read, there are different opinions about crossing the albino lines. One group says "Oh my God, you crossed the albino line, you have "dirty" babies", but at this momment I don't have any problems with my small friends. Second group says "Why not, there is no people who want to work with this project, maybe you will get a new information, maybe a new morph, you should try" So, I think that is nothing wrong with my geckos and nothing wrong witch this cross.
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The real problem with duble, triple, etc. hets comes when you start breed them. You can check this in a on-line calculator to see what I am talking about. The result is a mess of hets and the problem is that you do not know (from their appearence) for which gene exactly they are hets. IMO, it is quite difficult to work on your breeding projects in such cirumstances, because you do not know with what exactly you are working with (in respect of genetics). You will probabaly need test breeding, but it is again complicated because you will need to test with 2 or 3 animals with known genetics (for double and triple hets, respectively).

Taquiq said:
It is not clear whether the Hypo is a dominant or line bred morph. I personally believe they are line bred but others have different opinions. So you will get varying degrees of Hypos, some High Yellow, but don't always rely on percentages, especially with the Hypo morph. Some females may throw you very nice Hypos,
while others may not.
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Agree, that there are different opinions. However it is not too complicated to test. As I know, Hypo is a dominant trait, but Super Hypo is a line bred morph. Generally, the line bred traits are polygenic (difficult to predict out of the line-breeding). Most calculators consider the Hypo trait as a single-gene trait and a dominant trait. In my two Hypo Tang lines, the Hypo allele 'behaves', as a dominant trait. I have done test breeding for some of my Hypos and I know which are hets and which are homozigous for this trait: now, it is much easyer for me to work on my breeding projects.

I agree that one should not realy fully on the predicted (in theory) percentages in the generation. But this is just a theory. In practice, what you really know is the probability to have Hypo or not-Hypo hatchling. And what will be the distribution of the trait among the hatchlings in reality nobody knows (it depends on many factors).
 
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Wowoklol

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Swiechu said:
You are right! I didn't think about this, that my female is Sunglow het. RADAR. Do you see in this small gecko group, one which could be a hypo?

To RampantReptiles
My male is from tremper line. I know that i crossed an albino lines, but on this forum, and another which I read, there are different opinions about crossing the albino lines. One group says "Oh my God, you crossed the albino line, you have "dirty" babies", but at this momment I don't have any problems with my small friends. Second group says "Why not, there is no people who want to work with this project, maybe you will get a new information, maybe a new morph, you should try" So, I think that is nothing wrong with my geckos and nothing wrong witch this cross.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZHiJJnE

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
4mb3r

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lol I love the ghost buster scene every time someone talks about mixing albinos :p
 
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thinlizzy

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It's very simple to go out and buy a reptile.

Taking care of it is what distinguishes between what means to perfectional remedy.
There are people that don't consider this.
 
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