Moving Stress or something else?

Booplesnoot

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​Hey you guys~ Let me give you a little (a lot, lol) background information on my Leo before I state the health issues we are worried about. Sorry for the long post. I live in South Florida, and over Thanksgiving break I traveled up to Gainesville to visit my boyfriend, Nick, who is in college at University of Florida and visit my family who lives in Newberry. Nick has a friend who has a Bearded Dragon, and once he saw it and sent me pictures we both really wanted to get a pet lizard. I suggested that we either get a Leo or a Bearded when I move up there next fall. Anyways, coincidentally, my aunt and uncle happened to have a 6 year old Leopard Gecko at their home. She (which we, up until a couple days ago thought was a "he") was in the living room, in a 10-gallon tank, by a cold window (it is almost winter, and we had a cold front, so it was pretty cold in the room, let alone by the window even colder) without any heating at all. My uncle apparently had adopted her and I guess at one point they had given her a heating pad or heat lamps of some sort, but all I know is that when we were there, there weren't any. She was barely ever brought out, or touched, but was fed every day and a had a nice fat tail.So, upon seeing her Nick and I asked if we could take her out. For a lizard not being handled often, if at all, was really friendly (even though she pooped on Nick). She didn't get defensive or make noises unless we held her and she wanted to be put down, which only happened once. She climbed on us and everything in sight, always wanting to get higher even if she was going to fall.We were in love, and my aunt and uncle did not want to keep her since their lives were too hectic to pay attention to her and give her all the care she needed, obviously.After convincing my mom, we went to the store to get her some things. We had only researched so much in the night, but not as much as we should have. Nick was going to keep her at his dorm since my mom did not want to go buy crickets and I'm not too fond on bugs. We bought calci-sand substrate, another hide, a couple more food bowls, a UTH for the 10-gallon, vitamin calci-powder with d3, a travel carrier, a leopard gecko guide book, and repti-bark. My uncle's set-up was half dark sand, and half mulch, a hide on the warm side, and a nice big water bowl-like pool that was really dirty. There were about 10 crickets in her tank. When we got back, we cleaned out her entire tank. Threw out all the old stuff (including crickets and mealies that had turned into beetles), wiped down the tank, hide, and water bowl, and put in 5 meal-worms with a couple pieces of potatoes to gut them. All the meal-worms were all about to die, since they were a month old, so it was pretty hard finding live ones. We put in half calci-sand and half of the mulch (on the cold side) since she was in the process of shedding. We brought her upstairs to the attic where we were staying, since it was warmer than buy the window. We did not know how to use the heating pad, and didn't want to put it on in-case it got too hot, since we didn't get a thermometer (bad choice -_-). On Saturday Nick and I traveled to Orlando and left Boop (the gecko) at his dorm with the set-up we had. When he went back (I had gone back down to South Florida) she was still alive and seemed fine, although she had not eaten or pooped since the first time we touched her.It is now almost a week since we changed everything. On Monday, the day after Nick got back, I read that sand is horrible and told him to change it to paper towels ASAP, and he did. He put in three crickets, since his friend with the Bearded brought some over for him, but she still hasn't eaten them. He put on the heater, and she likes it, obviously, although since we do not have a thermometer yet I am not sure if it is warm enough. He replaced her first hide since it was open for a more closed one, and the heat seems to get trapped inside of it, which she likes. He replaced her meal-worms with 3 crickets, but she has not eaten them. Thankfully, she pooped today (we have been worrying she might have been impacted due to sand). Her tail has not shrunk from what we can tell (he measured the width yesterday so we don't know yet if it is shrinking or not). She sleeps normally, and when he brings her out she runs around and climbs on everything.The only problem we are worried about is that she is not eating, and I am wondering if it is because of the sudden stress of switching homes, new substrate, and because it might not be warm enough for her so she is in her hibernation mode (it is also cold in his dorm). Another issue I'm worried about is that in a couple of days Nick's semester is ending and he is coming down to South Florida for a month. We bought a juvenile desert set up (cause you could get a few more things for the price of one tank, thanks Black Friday) which has a 10-gallon tank, the heating lights, the screened lid, reptile carpet, a humidity/temp thermometer (i think that is what it is), and a couple other things I'm not sure of since it's in my moms car and she's at work. Anyways, we are going to use the desert-set up and put it at Nick's mom's house, although we are going to either use paper-towel substrate or buy some tiles since I'm not too keen on repti-carpet. Now that we are more informed of what to get, we are going to buy two thermometers, a humidity monitor, some more hides for her moist hide, cool hide, and warm hide for her South Florida tank and Gainesville tank, wax worms, pure calcium for the tank, vitamin powder without phosphorus (the one we have now does have it) another water-pool thing for the South Florida tank, a gram weight, and mineral oil just in case she is impacted. Why I'm worried about this is because she just seems to be adapting to her home in the dorm and now he will be bringing her back down, which might set her off to not eating again. He will be here from December 10th-January 3rd, so I'm thinking that if we get her, FINALLY, the right set-up she will have that month to adapt, and see if she will eat, before going back to the dorm (which Nick should have more things to maker her set-up better there). We are going to give her wax-worms to see if she will eat them when she comes down to South Florida, and if not then we are more than likely going to take her to a vet.What do you guys think? Do you think maybe she is impacted or it's just all the stress from moving/not being warm enough/it's winter?I'll post some pictures.
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the poop that she took this morning
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her toes, she doesn't have any nails. i just learned that they are supposed to. the day she shed she had some stuck on one toe and we took it off. i think that she probably had bad shedding days in the past and is why she now has no nails at all. i'm a little worried since the tips of two of the toes are red? also, are her feet supposed to be this dark (you can see in other pictures that her feet are pretty dark)
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the set-up she currently has.
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when she sleeps, i love how her legs go back. so cute.
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coming out to say hello :p
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her tail size after a week of not eating.
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another view of her tail and when she started shedding in Gainesville.
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the underside of her tummy. there's a blue dot in the middle-left, and i've read that it is their gallbladder or liver? but we are worried it could be impaction, even though she did poop this morning and there wasn't any sand in it. her tummy is see-through ish, since she hasn't been eating.
 

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That was a whole lot to read! Paragraphs would help! Haha. I got some of the information asked for in the following: http://geckoforums.net/f130-health-medications/70912.htm but not everything. It's not only helpful to fill it out so folks can give you better advice but also so you know what you should be thinking about in terms of her habitat and feeding.

If reptiles don't have proper temps they usually don't eat. If temps are too low they cannot digest their food before it rots in their gut and makes them sick. Because of this they tend to not eat to avoid hurting themselves. You need to measure your temps and get them right to keep her healthy long term. That said, your gecko looks chunky and healthy, almost verging on overweight. My adults tend to eat very little. I feed them about 20 mealworms a week or 2-3 dubia roaches. Any more and they get fat. In have one older gecko that is about 10 and he eats about half what the 2-3 year olds do even though he is bigger. I only feed him 10-15 mealworms or 1-2 dubia once a week and he doesn't lose any weight, which I've been trying to get him to do since he's a bit overweight. A few weeks of fasting won't hurt your girl and may in fact do her some good so I wouldn't worry. Weighing her every week or two will help keep you sane about her not eating :) Her poo looks 100% normal so I doubt she's sick and if she's pooing she can't be impacted. A trip to the vet for a good once over is never a bad idea IMO :)

When geckos don't shed right and shed skin sticks on their toes it can cut off the circulation to their toes and eventually fall off. This is probably why her toes are red and she has no nails. It's nothing to worry about and there's nothing you can do about it now. I would keep an eye on the toes to make sure the shed comes off and they don't swell up or anything, which would indicate an infection. Make sure you have her on a good virtamin and Ca supplement, Repashy Ca Plus is a great option. I would also leave a dish of plain Ca in her tank so she can munch on it when she needs or wants.
 

Booplesnoot

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Haha, when I posted it I saw it was all chunked together and I was like how...cause on the other forums it separated my paragraphs >.< I probably should have looked for the information chart first, my bad. D:!

We are going to get her some more things once Nick comes down, so hopefully she will eventually start eating again. :) I was just worried she might be too skinny since you can see through her stomach a tiny bit.
 

Booplesnoot

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I'll fill out the thing just in-case anyone else wants to read a short version.

About your leo
:
- Sex: female
- Age & Weight: 6 years, don't know weight.
- How long have you owned your leo: about a week.
- Where was he/she obtained: aunt & uncle

A) Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo: daily, 30 mins-1 hour.
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how does he/she normally act which differs from now: no, has been acting the same since we first got her.
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe: i think she had shedding problems in the past since she has no nails at all, also saw a piece stuck on her toe when she recently shed.
B) Fecals
- Describe (look any different than normal): normal.
- When was the last time he/she went: this morning.
C) Problem
- Not eating, a week.

Housing:
A) Enclosure
- Size: 10 gallon
- Type: glass
- Type of substrate: was sand, now paper towels.
- Hides, how many, what kind: 2, one closed cave on the warm side & 1 toilet paper roll on teh cold side.
B) Heating
- Heat source: UTH
- Cage temps: don't know, getting thermometers.
- Method of regulating heat source: keeping UTH plugged in and checking by hand how hot it is.
- What are you using to measure your temps: nothing yet.
- Do you have any lights (describe): only natural light/dorm room lights.
C) Cage mates
- How many (males, females): none
- Describe health, or previous problems: none

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet
- What you're feeding (how often, how much): first was 5 mealworms, then 3 crickets, now 1 cricket (she isn't eating them)
- How are you feeding (hand fed, left in dish, ect): mealworms in dish, crickets are out and about in tank.
B) Supplements (describe how often)
- What vitamin/minerals are you using (list brands): Repti-vite by ZooMed
- What are you gut loading food with: potatoes, fluke.
 

DrCarrotTail

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It's 100% normal to be able to see through the skin on their belly. The skin there is naturally thinner to allow them to absorb the warmth from the rocks they lay on more easily.

Like I said she looks like she is almost looks overweight (in my opinion) and its winter so they tend to slow down or even stop eating. It is not unusual for them to not eat for a month or more. In fact I would find it almost strange if a chunky gecko that has just moved does eat right away. I even brought home a couple 35g females this past year that barely ate for 2-3 months and lost no weight. I wouldn't go to extremes to try to get her to suck down more calories. Just leave 10 mealworms in a bowl for her once every 4-6 days or so and she should stay healthy.
 

Booplesnoot

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Ahhh, alright. :D
I have another question. For the heating pad, I've read that you can set it up with a thermometer or something to regulate it? But how do you do that? Do you just unplug-replug it in when it gets too hot or is there a special UTH that you can set a thermometer with and whenever it reaches a point of too hot or too cold it will change? The UTH we are using now just sticks to the bottom and we leave it constantly plugged in.
 

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I use a Hydrofarms thermostat. You just plug the UTH into it, put the probe on the floor in the middle of the UTH (I taped mine down with scotch tape) and set the temp. You can get them on Amazon for about $30 shipped. Mine is set on 93. It will turn the UTH off when it gets over 93 and when it goes down to 90 it turns the UTH back on. I also highly recommend Repashy Calcium Plus. You just dust every insect she eats with it, and that's all. You don't need other supplements. Repashy Bug Burger is an awesome gut load. You also need to put a humid hide in there. Just get a cheap glad sandwich container, cut a hole in the lid (make sure there aresn't any sharp edges) and put some moist paper towels inside. You can also use Eco-Earth. I use spring water to mist the humid hide and for her drinking water. Also, I wouldn't handle her for a couple of weeks so she can get settled in. Some leopard geckos don't like to be handled. My girl, Ozy, isn't aggressive and will TOLERATE handling if needed, but if I put my hand in for her to climb on she's like.. No thanks. Just saying, it doesn't hurt them to just stay in their enclosure, Ozy never comes out and is just as fat, happy and curious as she can be (as long as she's in her enclosure :p) Oh, and your leo's poop looks fine. Also, you don't need to worry about measuring the humidity as long as you have a humid hide in her enclosure. :D
 
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