MS tremper or MS ghost?

[Lottiz]

Hi, all!

I sold a couple of leos last year to a friend in Sweden. It was a female mack snow (produced by Alex Hue) and a Hyglo male (produced by myself). I know Alex is working a lot with ms ghost and 2007 I got some wonderful ms ghost offsprings from the ones I bought from him. This female did not bred last year but this year. The buyer bred her with the Hyglo male and she get a lovely male.
No question, it's a MS tremper. So, the female was het tremper... a little secret we didn't know.

But the next three eggs hatch out on female temp and Erika was thinking they was ms ghost. Compere with my MS ghost they are very similar:

Erika's little female MSG03:

It look like allmost black eyes

one of my ms ghost female:

But after 4-6 week they got diffrencies...and now I'm not sure this is ms ghost but ms tremper too... Dookies???

Erika's MSG03:

But she still got a black flash from her dark eyes :main_rolleyes: :

My MSG:

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I just have to show all three of Erikas wounderful babies. Mack snow Tremper or Mack snow ghost??

MSG04

MSG05

Well, I know my opinion here. I just want to know what you think

 

[Ccrashca069]

For a huge box of Thortens Chocolates I will tell you anything you want too hear

I got spoiled. My wife is from England and she brought some Thortens chocolates and those are so much better then we can get here.

 

[DAWNoftheLEO]

Id say mack ghost in pic 3, 4, 9.. somelook in between lol..
Out of the 14 mack ghosts or so I hatched they all has those saddles on upper portion of body.Like your MSG

 

[Lottiz]

:main_laugh: Ok, I don't have any chocolate for you...sorry! I just want to hear if you have any idea about if Erika's hatchlings are mack snow tremper or mack snow ghost...

Is it normal för mack snow tremper to be this dark?

 

[Lottiz]

Id say mack ghost in pic 3, 4, 9.. somelook in between lol..
Out of the 14 mack ghosts or so I hatched they all has those saddles on upper portion of body.Like your MSG

It's the same leo in pic 3,4,6 and 7....

 

[paulnj]

too many images for me... mind boggling.

MSG03 is really MST03 if you ask me

 

[Lottiz]

I know...the pics i got from Erika was a bit to large to this forum I think...

Thank you. I think MSG03 is a MST too. I don't think ghost got this lavender color in the pattern like trempers does. And the eyes looks like albinos too, but what about the black flash??

Edith: I have to tell, this girl was as dark as this as new hatch ( alot of as there *lol*):

 

[Gazz]

Tremper mack snow.

Tremper mack snow

Dark tremper mack snow

It look like allmost black eyes

This i'd possibly say is a aberrant mack snow as mack snow ghost are very grey from what i've seen but i very wel maybe wrong.
Here a link chech out the shade of colour of a mack ghost and top right corner a mack snow.
link http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/Collection/collection/ghostsnow.JPG

Dark tremper mack snow.

But she still got a black flash from her dark eyes :main_rolleyes: :

Dark Tremper mack snow ghost IMO.

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I just have to show all three of Erikas wounderful babies. Mack snow Tremper or Mack snow ghost??

IMO all dark Tremper mack snow poss a dark Tremper snow ghost.

MSG05

Well, I know my opinion here. I just want to know what you think

Black eyes on mack seems to be getting ever more common but these being albino would have been red but being as dark as they are they also have dark eyes.I bet if you get a good light sourse you'l find the eyes are deep'deep ruby red or a dark chocolate colour.

Just my opinion on these.Look a you picture i added my opinions with them.

 

[Lottiz]

Thanks Gazz, I think you're right. I havn't seen Erikas babies myself but I booked MSG03 and I just have to take a closer look on that eye when she arrive... But if it's dark red, it's a snake eye? Mack snow tremper het raptor? Where did the snake eye gene come from? Or is it another eclipse-gene, not raptor?

What about the others, also trempers?

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MSG05: