NEED HELP!

[breanna-banana13]

OK so my little brother is going to do a science fair project on genetics (specifically leopard gecko genetics). Yes it was my idea. anyway does anyone have some good references (mainly websites books too if they are really good) that lays out the VERY BASICS?? (he is 15 so we're not goin all out here). I'm mainly interested in what morphs are recessive, dominant, co-dom, I know there are some lethal combos.... Like I said i'd prefer the bare minimum as i know pretty much nothing of the leo genetics but am fairly knowledgable in just plain genetics. Even if someone can just list the basics here that'd be great. BTW- we haven't even done any other research lol. i figured I'd come here first.

 

[Paco]

Leopard Gecko Wiki. Is the most comprehensive site out there about leos. It should have all the info you need. Good luck.

 

[breanna-banana13]

isn't that wikipedia?? i've heard not to trust that...

 

[RepBex]

indeed not to trust wiki

anybody anywhere can put up or change the information so you never know if its true

 

[LeapinLizards]

Start reading every breeders websites. A lot of the time (especially the larger ones) will have descriptions of the morphs they are working with, and a little background...especially the breeders that produced the first of the specific morph.

 

[Paco]

isn't that wikipedia?? i've heard not to trust that...

No it is Not Wikipedia. This site was created by one of the member here at GF and as I said earlier is the MOST comprehensive Leopard gecko site out there.

Take every thing you read with a grain of salt. No matter who wrote it and make an educated opinion after the fact.

here is the link.

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

 

[Paco]

indeed not to trust wiki

anybody anywhere can put up or change the information so you never know if its true

That can be true for any site!!!

Wikipedia is an excellent source for information. I would not take it as written word but it is an excellent reference source. Allways do further research on any subject and don't limit yourself to one source. Make an educated desicion after the fact, don't just assume something.

 

[Paco]

Start reading every breeders websites. A lot of the time (especially the larger ones) will have descriptions of the morphs they are working with, and a little background...especially the breeders that produced the first of the specific morph.

Leo Wiki has all this info in one place.:main_thumbsup: If you did not all ready know this.

 

[Nigel4less]

Leo Wiki has all this info in one place.:main_thumbsup: If you did not all ready know this.

Indeed and no I`m not just saying that because I sponsor that site :main_laugh:


Its a fantastic site and an excellent resource.

 

[LeapinLizards]

Not always is it 100% correct though. I am a big believer in MULTIPLE sources when you are researching something. Maybe start with the wikipedia site, then find out who originally produced the morph and do further research on the actual breeder's own website.

 

[Nigel4less]

Not always is it 100% correct though. I am a big believer in MULTIPLE sources when you are researching something. Maybe start with the wikipedia site, then find out who originally produced the morph and do further research on the actual breeder's own website.

Ofcourse just like anything, all websites and most statements are Opinions. And I totally agree with you Heather doing research from multiple sources is best. So you can gather multiple opinions and make your own.

 

[Paco]

Not always is it 100% correct though. I am a big believer in MULTIPLE sources when you are researching something. Maybe start with the wikipedia site, then find out who originally produced the morph and do further research on the actual breeder's own website.

Heather. Have you been to the Leo wiki site? It is not a Wikipedia site. Because the way you are talking it seems you have not been there. I to use multiple source's most of the time. But when A site that is dedicated to Only Leos and the Author is a respected member of the Leo community and I know he gets all his info and facts from the biggest and best breeders out there. The site is a no brainer at that point. If i further want to know more info about a morph at that point i would go directly to the breeders site and would have that info because of Leo wiki.

The Sites Author gets all his info from other breeders sites as well and usually has updates on morphs before they are released to the public.

If there is any wrong info on this site it would be at the Fault of whoever put that information out there not the author of the site. He is using others info for his site.

Damn you would think I was owner or a Sponsors the way I am defending the site.:main_laugh:

 

[LeapinLizards]

I have been there MULTIPLE times Paco, I would not speak about something I have never been to...if you were reading my posts you would be able to see that I was not talking DOWN about the Wiki at all, instead I'm suggesting beginning there, but also going to other sources to confirm everything.

I know who wrote the wiki, Kyle, he actually lives just north of me and I have spoken to him numerous times. He's a very smart guy, and spent a lot of time on the wiki. I am not saying everything on there is 100% wrong lol, just that in the past there were a few things that were not completely true, and I believe he fixed it.

I really like the wiki, Kyle did a fantastic job, I'm just saying it shouldn't be the ONLY source of information. It's a great place to start though.

Oh, and I do know it's not part of Wikipedia...I accidently typed that out instead of just Wiki That's what I get for little sleep and not enough coffee...

 

[breanna-banana13]

I thank you all for the suggestions. I actually looked over the wiki and although it seems like an excellent website (despite my views about wikipedia) it seems a little too 'in depth' for what i'm looking for. His project is gonna be mainly genetics with a touch on the leos. i was hoping some of the breeders could help me out.

For example- I have a high yellow male and a Hypo Tang CT female. If someone could possibly set up a punnet square for them...:main_huh:

 

[Paco]

I thank you all for the suggestions. I actually looked over the wiki and although it seems like an excellent website (despite my views about wikipedia) it seems a little too 'in depth' for what i'm looking for. His project is gonna be mainly genetics with a touch on the leos. i was hoping some of the breeders could help me out.

For example- I have a high yellow male and a Hypo Tang CT female. If someone could possibly set up a punnet square for them...:main_huh:

Well you should have said something from the start. JK.

I would use Albinism as the example of genetics for the project. It will much easier to show what is going on using a recessive trait. I can't put the punnet square up but I can give you out comes.

There is also a site called genetics wizard and it will give you all the ratios and out come when you plug traits into it. Very cool little program.

But first maybe you should let us know how detailed you want to get because genetics can get complicated. because I could type a lot of info only for you to go I cant use any of that it's to complicated.

 

[Paco]

I have been there MULTIPLE times Paco, I would not speak about something I have never been to...if you were reading my posts you would be able to see that I was not talking DOWN about the Wiki at all, instead I'm suggesting beginning there, but also going to other sources to confirm everything.

I know who wrote the wiki, Kyle, he actually lives just north of me and I have spoken to him numerous times. He's a very smart guy, and spent a lot of time on the wiki. I am not saying everything on there is 100% wrong lol, just that in the past there were a few things that were not completely true, and I believe he fixed it.

I really like the wiki, Kyle did a fantastic job, I'm just saying it shouldn't be the ONLY source of information. It's a great place to start though.

Oh, and I do know it's not part of Wikipedia...I accidently typed that out instead of just Wiki That's what I get for little sleep and not enough coffee...

Heather. People get it confused just look at the replies. I never said it should be the only source of info and I never would. I just said it was the most comprehensive, which it is.

Kyle did an excellent job and as I said before the only wrong info on his site was given buy someone else and it's only been on the most recent morphs, which many have not proven out until recently and as soon as that was learned and confirmed the info was changed. You still make it sound as if he has had all kinds of wrong info. You are referring to 1 or 2 morphs out of the 100 or so there are now, not bad. That would be only 98% correct. Otherwise, His info seems to be on par with what every breeder has to say and thinks because thats where he gets all that info from. I look at Every Breeders site as well and more than once some get checked once a week for updates and info. So I know what info is out there from my research.

 

[breanna-banana13]

Like i said, he is gonna do mainly genetics. mendel and the pea plants, talk about recessive, dominant, co-dom and incomplete dominance. Hes gonna talk a bit about DNA, (maybe not). But he wasnts to have the leos in ther as a "look at what genetics can do!" because there are so many different variations. it would be nice to have a few examples of which traits are dominant and which are recessive (obv. albino is recessive) but what about tangs, high yellow, mack snows, are they recessive, dominant, etc? sorry for bein a pain in the arse

 

[Nigel4less]

Like i said, he is gonna do mainly genetics. mendel and the pea plants, talk about recessive, dominant, co-dom and incomplete dominance. Hes gonna talk a bit about DNA, (maybe not). But he wasnts to have the leos in ther as a "look at what genetics can do!" because there are so many different variations. it would be nice to have a few examples of which traits are dominant and which are recessive (obv. albino is recessive) but what about tangs, high yellow, mack snows, are they recessive, dominant, etc? sorry for bein a pain in the arse

Tangs, and High Yellows are Polygenetic AKA Line Bred
And Mack Snows are Incomplete Dominant.

 

[breanna-banana13]

Tangs, and High Yellows are Polygenetic AKA Line Bred
And Mack Snows are Incomplete Dominant.

Thanks! :main_thumbsupo you have an example of a dominant trait? recessive? (besides albino) and a co dominant? what is line bred exactly?

 

[Nigel4less]

Thanks! :main_thumbsupo you have an example of a dominant trait? recessive? (besides albino) and a co dominant? what is line bred exactly?

Line Bred is just like in Dogs Like breeding White Poodle to White Poodle to get White Poodles.

A Dominant Trait is an Enigma

And Co-Dominant and Incomplete Dominant are used synonymously in Reptiles.

And a Recessive Trait besides Albino would be the Murphy's Patternless or a Blizzard.