Number of Morphs out there?

[Alchemy]

Is there a list anywhere of all the potential morphs out there? Or even just the "basic" morphs like Normal, Albino(s), Patternless, etc? I found this list:
Banana Blizzard
Black
Black Gold
Blazing Blizzard
Blizzard
Broken Neck Band
Carrot Tailed Hypo
Circleback
Designer Patternless
Diamondback
Golden Yellow
Halloween (Mask)
High Yellow
Hyperxanthic
Hypo Golden Yellow
Hypomelanistic
Hypo Pastel
Hypo Snow
Hypo Tangerine
Jungle
Lavender (High Purple)
Lavender Albino
Normal
Pastel
Patternless
Patternless Albino
Peanut Back
Rainbow
Rainwater Albino
Reduced Pattern
Reverse Striped
Snow
Striped
Super Hypo Tangerine
Tangerine
Tangerine Albino
Three-Lined Stripe
Tremper Albino
True Leucistic

But it seems to be missing a lot of combinations, and some of those listed seem to be more of a line bred result rather than an actual color mutation.

 

[johnnyboy4783]

haha too long for a post

 

[johnnyboy4783]

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Morphs

 

[Ipsl]

From what Ive seen there are only 8 true genetic morphs out there. The rest are line/ selective breed. But with the 8 morphs that makes something like 60,000 combinations. I know.... I made a morph guide. And some you listed dont exist (yet) like true luestics and some of the others... well Im just not going to comment. Halloween (Mask), Golden Yellow, Three-Lined Stripe, Black Gold :main_rolleyes:

 

[eyelids]

Some of those names sound so ten years ago... LOL!

'Halloween Masks' are still around and totally kick butt... I'm sure Albey or Paul Allen could lend you some insight on them...

 

[Ipsl]

'Halloween Masks' are still around and totally kick butt... I'm sure Albey or Paul Allen could lend you some insight on them...

I had no clue that that was real. Crazy

 

[David Loftin]

Halloween Masks!

 

[eyelids]

Back in the day before there were tons of morphs and combos all you could do was breed for color and aberrant patterns... That's why you see all of those descriptive type names...

 

[ataber]

yea those "halloween masks" are pretty sick lookin some of those on the list ive never heard of...list does sound old tho with some of those names and the lack of some of the newer morphs that have come out recently.

 

[johnnyboy4783]

wish My high yellow has a face like them halloween masks

 

[Alchemy]

Hmmm, I like that wiki it has a lot of info on it.

This is probably going to get me verbally smacked around for opening my big mouth, but it seems there are a lot of problems with inconsistency in the naming of “new” morphs. For example (not picking on anyone, this one just popped into my head!) RADARs and RAPTORs. Same genetics but using different albino strains.

Albinos are called Albinos, and when necessary given a suffix or prefix of Bell, RW, or Tremper to denote which strain. So wouldn't it be easier to label successive morphs created by these strains uniformly with the addition of the parental suffix or prefix as above? It seems that there would be a lot less confusion.

It kinda feels like there are too many cooks in the kitchen trying to create new colors to name different names and nobody is trying for a standardized base with only minor alterations to specify the small variances between inheritance.

 

[eyelids]

Yeah we just had a big debate on naming... It will likely stay this way and people will just have to put up with it...

As far as Raptors and Radars, Raptor is an acronym standing for Red Eyed Albino Patternless Tremper ORange... So if the Bell version had to follow suit it would have to be called Rapbor... I don't know where the name Radar came from, but it sounds better than Rapbor...

 

[ataber]

lol at least its not as bad as ball pythons...i dunno what any of those things are cuz they name every freaking thing something that has nothin to do with the genetics. as long as things dont start going in that direction i think it will be ok...im good with calling things what they are genetically...names are just for marketing anyways

i agree with 420 with the raptors and radars i dont think you could do what your saying since raptor is an acronym for a tremper strain animal

 

[Alchemy]

REPT RW
REPT Bell
REPT Trmp

R: Red
E: Eyed
P: Patternless
T: Tremper Orange

You don't need to restate the Albino (A) because you're adding it as a suffix, but it covers any of the variations including both raptors and radars. I don't know, just seems all so confusing for someone new to leo morphs. I'm sure it will get easier as I work on it, but for now it gives me a headache trying to remember which names are which color combinations, lol.

 

[BethanyB]

REPT RW
REPT Bell
REPT Trmp

R: Red
E: Eyed
P: Patternless
T: Tremper Orange

You don't need to restate the Albino (A) because you're adding it as a suffix, but it covers any of the variations including both raptors and radars. I don't know, just seems all so confusing for someone new to leo morphs. I'm sure it will get easier as I work on it, but for now it gives me a headache trying to remember which names are which color combinations, lol.

You just gotta get used to it I guess :main_laugh: I was confused as heck once, but now through lots of reading and hanging out on this site I've figured all the morphs out and the genetics behind them. I kinda like the names Raptor and Radar too, it's way easier than saying the full name all the time, that's for sure lol.

Your little chart up there confuses me, because then wouldn't TREMPER be in each and every title? when it only applies to one strain? :main_huh:

 

[ataber]

yea youd have to cut out the T in your thing because that would imply the tremper strain is in all animals which isnt the case and if your cutting out the albino you might as well cut out the R and E because albinos always have red eyes so that leaves you with a P for patternless and an albino strain but there are already (murphys)patternless albinos so you couldnt represent it like that either.

i understand what your sayin but i dont think your gonna get very far with it lol. the names are essentially marketing tools for the breeders that name them, it takes a little time to get the hang of it but once you learn the basics its simple....you think its confusing now, just wait til you start to try to figure out the genetic outcomes of breedings lol

 

[Alchemy]

I totally understand, I don't expect anyone to chang anything. I guess I'm just whining because I'm having a miserable time trying to memorize everything, lol.

 

[Rejoice in the Lord]

yea youd have to cut out the T in your thing because that would imply the tremper strain is in all animals which isnt the case and if your cutting out the albino you might as well cut out the R and E because albinos always have red eyes so that leaves you with a P for patternless and an albino strain but there are already (murphys)patternless albinos so you couldnt represent it like that either.

i understand what your sayin but i dont think your gonna get very far with it lol. the names are essentially marketing tools for the breeders that name them, it takes a little time to get the hang of it but once you learn the basics its simple....you think its confusing now, just wait til you start to try to figure out the genetic outcomes of breedings lol

I had been wondering the same thing, about the "a" and "t" . . . why does it say albino and then tremper. It does make the acronym nicer to pronounce though.

Do all albinos have red eyes, or is it just that all that have red eyes are albino? If the second, then the "R" is needed.

As far as Radar goes . . . just turn the d around, and you have the b(ell)

Yes, all this genetics and morph stuff is confusing, but fun and challenging to try to figure out and understand!

 

[ataber]

im confused by what your asking lol. albinos have red eyes and if it has red eyes its albino...dont see a difference in the two. the difference with the raptors is that they have red eclipsed eyes and not the normal albino eyes but nothing in their name suggests this really.

 

[Rejoice in the Lord]

lol I'm confused too. I'll see if I can explain my question a bit better though.

Trempers tend to have lighter eyes,

RW's tend to have yellowish eyes

Bells tend to have reddish eyes.

Are you saying now that they ALL have red eyes? If it does not have red eyes, can it be considered an albino?


I'm not sure I understand what the eclipsed eye looks like as compared to a normal (or normal albino) eye.

Whatever the case, it does sounds like the "R" is standing for a specific unusual eye trait, even if it is misnamed, so I think some letter should be there