Outcome of SHTCTB x Raptor and SHTCTB x Enigma

[leopardgeckos96]

hello i was just wondering what the outcome of a SHTCTB x Raptor would be?
also what would the outcome be of a SHTCTB x Enigma
Thanks

 

[OneFootedAce]

Shtctb x raptor
Normals 100% het raptor all with varying tangerine influence

Shtctb x enigma
50% enigmas with a varying amount if tangerine influence
50% normal with varying tang influence

 

[PetVet]

for the SHTCTB X Raptor =

100% Hypo (1 Copy) het Tremper Albino het Eclipse

Most of the offspring will show Banded patterning

The offspring may well show some Tangerine influence.
The offspring may well show some Carrot Tail influence.

& for the SHTCTB X Enigma (assuming its just a normal enigma)

50% Hypo (1 Copy) Enigma (1 Copy)
50% Hypo (1 Copy)

Some of the offspring may be Super Hypo Baldy (showing very little or no head spotting and very little, if not zero body spotting)
Most of the offspring will show Banded patterning

The offspring may well show some Tangerine influence.
The offspring may well show some Carrot Tail influence.

 

[leopardgeckos96]

?

alrighty now im confused because i got two different anwsers haha
and if i just bred a SHTCTB and a tremper albino together i get

Generation.1 tremper albino x SHTCTB = 100% SHTCTB then 50% of those will be het tremper

Generation.2 tremper x SHTCTB het tremper = 50% tremper sunglow and 50% tangerine with 100% of the tangerines being het tremper
OR
Generation.2 tremper x SHTCTB(same as Gen.1 since it wasnt het tremper) = 100% SHTCTB then 50% of those will be het tremper
OR
Generation.2 SHTCTB x SHTCTB het tremper = 100% tangerines het tremper

Correct??

 

[Taquiq]

SHTCTB x RAPTOR=
50% Hypo with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
50% Normal with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence

Hypo is a dominant trait. Super Hypo is a line bred trait, not a dominant. So assuming that your Hypo is 1 copy 50% will be Hypo and 50% will not.

SHTCTB x Enigma=
25% Hypo het RAPTOR with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
25% Hypo het RAPTOR Enigma with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
25% Enigma het RAPTOR with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
25% Normal het RAPTOR with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence

SHTCTB x Tremper=
50% Hypo het Tremper with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
50% Normal het Tremper with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence

 

[leopardgeckos96]

what do you mean by Normal het Tremper is the normal refering to the SHTCTB??

 

[leopardgeckos96]

and the hypo

 

[Taquiq]

what do you mean by Normal het Tremper is the normal refering to the SHTCTB??

The SHTCTB trait won't fully express itself unless bred to another one. That's why I said a varying degree of Tang and carrot Tail. Some will have more some less.

and the hypo

The Hypo is a dominant morph so 50% of the babies will be Hypo.

 

[Brett B]

Sorry to hijack this thread but...
What would an SHTCTB x High Yellow create?

 

[Taquiq]

SHTCTB x High Yellow=
50% Normal/High Yellow with varying degree of Tang and carrot tail influence
50% Hypo with varying degree of Tang and carrot tail influence

 

[Brett B]

SHTCTB x High Yellow=
50% Normal/High Yellow with varying degree of Tang and carrot tail influence
50% Hypo with varying degree of Tang and carrot tail influence

Thank You.
And if I were to temperature sex all babies to females and breed back the 50% Hypos with the most carrot tail/tangerine to the SHTCTB father there would be even more tangerine and carrot tail influence correct?

 

[leopardgeckos96]

no problem lol
and someone was telling me that breeding a SHTCTB x SHTCTB wll give me hypo tangerines?? thats not right tho correct?
SHTCTB x SHTCTB = 100% SHTCTB??

 

[Taquiq]

Thank You.
And if I were to temperature sex all babies to females and breed back the 50% Hypos with the most carrot tail/tangerine to the SHTCTB father there would be even more tangerine and carrot tail influence correct?

Correct

no problem lol
and someone was telling me that breeding a SHTCTB x SHTCTB wll give me hypo tangerines?? thats not right tho correct?
SHTCTB x SHTCTB = 100% SHTCTB??

SHTCTB x SHTCTB=
50% Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail Baldy - might Super Hypo out for you
50% Tangerine Carrot Tail body - might Super Hypo out for you

 

[BiKA]

SHTCTB x RAPTOR=
50% Hypo with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
50% Normal with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence

Hypo is a dominant trait. Super Hypo is a line bred trait, not a dominant. So assuming that your Hypo is 1 copy 50% will be Hypo and 50% will not.

SHTCTB x Enigma=
25% Hypo het RAPTOR with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
25% Hypo het RAPTOR Enigma with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
25% Enigma het RAPTOR with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
25% Normal het RAPTOR with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence

SHTCTB x Tremper=
50% Hypo het Tremper with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence
50% Normal het Tremper with varying degree of Tang and Carrot Tail influence

@Joey
SHTCTB(2 copy) X RAPTOR= you should get 100% hypo(1 copy),you miss out the 100% het tremper albino het eclipse
SHTCTB X enigma= where did the het RAPTOR came from?
SHTCTB(2 Copy) x Tremper= you should get 100% Hypo(1 Copy) het tremper

According to my understanding,
normal = no mutated alleles present
hypo = 1 mutated alleles present
super hypo = 2 mutated alleles present

correct me if i m wrong.

 

[Taquiq]

@Joey
SHTCTB(2 copy) X RAPTOR= you should get 100% hypo(1 copy),you miss out the 100% het tremper albino het eclipse
SHTCTB X enigma= where did the het RAPTOR came from?
SHTCTB(2 Copy) x Tremper= you should get 100% Hypo(1 Copy) het tremper

According to my understanding,
normal = no mutated alleles present
hypo = 1 mutated alleles present
super hypo = 2 mutated alleles present

correct me if i m wrong.

Super Hypo is a linebred trait, not a dominant. Hypo is a dominant. So a Super Hypo is really a Hypo but it has been linebred to have no spots. Hypo's are 1 copy so assuming that it is not a 2 copy Hypo only 50% of the babies will be Hypo.

 

[leopardgeckos96]

alright thanks so if i breed a
SHTCTB and a SHTCTB i get 100% SHTCTB right??

 

[BiKA]

Super Hypo is a linebred trait, not a dominant. Hypo is a dominant. So a Super Hypo is really a Hypo but it has been linebred to have no spots. Hypo's are 1 copy so assuming that it is not a 2 copy Hypo only 50% of the babies will be Hypo.

First of all,i will try to make this as understandable as possible since my english is poor.
when you say Super hypo is linebred trait and not dominant because it was linebred from Hypo(dominant) to have no spots,would this make sense if i say Hypo is also linebred trait and is not dominant because it was linebred (selected breeding)from normal/hi yellow(dominant)to have less spots?
To my understanding,Super Hypo is dominat which carries 2 mutated alleles and Hypo act more like codominant which carry 1 mutated alleles.
This means Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail Baldy (SHTCTB) is Hypo(2copy)
and not what you describe as Hypo (1copy).if it is only 1 copy,it can only be HTCTB and can never be SHTCTB.
So by breeding SHTCTB X SHTCTB,you should get 100% SHTCTB.

according to VMSherp.com
Normal x Super Hypo yields all Hypo offspring.
Hypo x Hypo yields 1/4 Normal, 1/2 Hypo , 1/4 Super Hypo offspring.
Hypo x Super Hypo yields 1/2 Hypo , 1/2 Super Hypo offspring.
Super Hypo x Super Hypo yields all Super Hypo offspring

according to million dollar gecko morph calculator
SHTCTB X SHTCTB =
100% Hypo (2 Copy) Tangerine Carrot Tail Super Hypo Baldy

Most of the offspring will be Super Hypo Baldy (showing very little or no head spotting and very little, if not zero body spotting)
Most of the offspring will show Banded patterning

Again,please correct me if i m wrong.

 

[Taquiq]

Super Hypo is linebred so when breeding it to others it has 1 copy of the Hypo gene plus a polygenic trait. In my opinion Super Hypo shouldn't be called that because it is not the Super form of Hypo. A regular Hypo with 10 or less Spots could contain 2 Hypo genes but still have some spots.