Outcomes for this combination?

[Nahph1]

I was wondering if someone could help me with this cross. Raptor X Patternless. Since patternless is part of the Raptor morph would I get patternless babies? Het for Raptor? Please help!

 

[rhino43grr]

i think the patternless gene in raptors is actually different from the murphy's patternless gene - the regular strain of patternless leopard geckos - so you'd probably get a bunch of normals that are het or possibly het for a bunch of things (tremper, murphys patternless, red eyes, maybe some others)

 

[Sajane]

An APTOR patternless is not the same thing as the morph sold as Leucistic or Patternless. The "Patternless" in APTORs is also known as Reverse Stripe and is NOT a simple recessive gene.

 

[Nahph1]

combination

So I guess that raptor X patternless is not a good project to get started on. Thanks for the info everyone. I forgot that the patternless in raptors is different than the common patternless genes.

 

[mark97r1]

RAPTOR x Murphy Patternless = 100% normals/abbarant het RAPTOR (Tremper albino + Eclipse) + M,Patternless.
Breed these together (Not good odds for the first year though doable in the second) and you get the the same as a Diablo Blanco though the Blizzard is replaced with M,Patternless so basicly a yellow version.

I have over simplified that, there is a real bag of stuff that would come from the second breeding. Basicly though the RAPTOR's that come out are possible het M'Patternless and vice versa for the M'Patternless being possible het RAPTOR so its a case of breeding them together and getting lucky. Or back to the 1st generation outcomes that are normal but 100% het for all traits.

I may be wrong but i dont think anyone has produced one yet, i know quite a few was working on them.

Spose they will look like a lower standerd super hypo with red eclipse eyes. With a little breeding though the Tang and CT could be improved and this morph could have some nice potential.

Mark

 

[yellermelon]

Garrick at crestedgecko.com has produced a very nice "ember" which is what he called this morph. I think its a great project to do and one I am working on myself! good luck