Phantoms

[trizzypballr]

Everyone see Urban Geckos new " Morph" the phantom? Not sure id consider it a morph, they are albino hypo line bred snows, but they are pretty cool looking. Cant wait until Craig gets them exactually how he wants the line to look, they will be pretty cool.

 

[Sandra]

There's already a thread about phantoms: http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=11152

 

[bittner_344]

why wouldent you consider it a morph?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Not a "new" morph. How could it be? Considering their Snows are just like the Mack Snows, and there is no new strains of Albino, there is nothing "new" about them.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Considering their Snows are just like the Mack Snows

As far as I know, I haven't heard of any TUG Snow x TUG Snow crossings that have resulted in Super Snows. To better put it instead of a new morph, a new crossing, or a new combination.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I guess they are more like the "Gem" Snows. Someone recently posted, they made Super Snows when bred to Macks(?), so pretty much the same thing.

It is a Snow Albino really, why have a new name for it.

 

[trizzypballr]

Really it is a linebred snow albino, linebred for certain traits. So I guess its easier to say phantom instead of linebred snow tremper albino linebred for blah blah blah blah. I dont like new names for morphs that already exist, but it sure does shorten it up for ya I guess. We all openly use either hybino sunglow or hyglow now, but they arnt new morphs, they are just coined names, the phantom is the same. While I dont agree with it I can see a purpose for it

 

[bro paul]

New names never bother me much, unless it's something I'm already producing..lol! But seriously, I think any time a breeder has put the hard work into producing a distinct look...even if it's just a slight change from the current standard for a morph....then they have all the reason in the world to name it something distinct. But, if the "changed" look is not noticeable enough then they may loose some credibility, for sure. It's a fine line a lot of us are trying to figure out. Also, I've noticed that a lot of us (gecko breeders) aren't too sharp at marketing our "products"...and those that are usually get put down for it. Just an observation. I guess we feel guilty if we market...like we're not in it for the "love" or the hobby any more?? Sorry to go off topic a bit....and ramble

 

[GeckoRing]

Really it is a linebred snow albino, linebred for certain traits. So I guess its easier to say phantom instead of linebred snow tremper albino linebred for blah blah blah blah.

TUG snows are not the same as line bred.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

TUG snows are not the same as line bred.

Correct. They are said to be dominant.

They may be line breeding their Snows/Albino Snows, for a certain look but the TUG Snow is not considered a "line bred" trait.

 

[trizzypballr]

So then otherwards you are suppost to be able to breed a TUG snow to a Tang, and have all nice clean white offspring? Why do I have a hard time seeing that happen?

 

[GeckoRing]

I believe that is how they came up with the reduced spotting in their snows. They crossed their snows with super hypo carrot tails. At least that is what their web site states.

 

[Kotsay1414]

So then otherwards you are suppost to be able to breed a TUG snow to a Tang, and have all nice clean white offspring? Why do I have a hard time seeing that happen?

My guess is it is the same reason we are seeing orange starting to show on Tremper's Blizzard het Diablos. It is dominate, but it doesn't completely cancel the yellow, same case as a Mack.

 

[elphani]

@ trizzypballr: I did a pairing with a TUG snow and a really bright TUG Sunglow.
The result was amazing. I got a little (hypo) snow and (hypo)''normal''.
Did you a TUG snow X Tangerine pairing?

have a look at this: http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=10944
and http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=10958

I doubt it will keep that pure white, it already has some yellow filling in the bands. But TUG snow is defently not Linebred... Maybe Brett can help us?!

Maybe the Snow male was het. Snow, that would explaine why I got one snow and one normal. Unfortunately I don't have more offspring from this pairing.

 

[Kotsay1414]

@ trizzypballr: I did a pairing with a TUG snow and a really bright TUG Sunglow.
The result was amazing. I got a little (hypo) snow and (hypo)''normal''.
Did you a TUG snow X Tangerine pairing?

have a look at this: http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=10944
and http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=10958

I doubt it will keep that pure white, it already has some yellow filling in the bands. But TUG snow is defently not Linebred... Maybe Brett can help us?!

Maybe the Snow male was het. Snow, that would explaine why I got one snow and one normal. Unfortunately I don't have more offspring from this pairing.

Thanks for the references Sandra! Congrats on your little snow! It's a cutie!

 

[bittner_344]

Ok, so, i just found out today that the line bred snows are different from the mack snows. some really neat stuff has been popping out of these phantoms!

 

[Kotsay1414]

Ok, so, i just found out today that the line bred snows are different from the mack snows. some really neat stuff has been popping out of these phantoms!

Very cool... any hints about what has been popping out?

About the Snows...

To my understanding there is four types:

Mack Snow: Incomplete Dominate
Line Bred: Line Bred
TUG Snow: Dominate
Gem Snow: Incomplete Dominate

When crossing any of the strains into the Mack Snows, Super Snows can be produced.

 

[trizzypballr]

It has been proven for a long time that Linebred snows are different from mack snows. Its odd that linebred x mack can produce supers, but linebred x linebred cant so that proves their not the same. Although it does make you question what Macks are then if the Super Snow gene can be made with only 1 mack snow parent

 

[Kotsay1414]

It has been proven for a long time that Linebred snows are different from mack snows. Its odd that linebred x mack can produce supers, but linebred x linebred cant so that proves their not the same. Although it does make you question what Macks are then if the Super Snow gene can be made with only 1 mack snow parent

The only way to my current knowledge to make a Super Snow, 1 Mack Snow must be involved. There had never been TUG x TUG, Gem x Gem, or Line x Line to create a Super Snow. I do not know about crossing the other lines though.

 

[trizzypballr]

Might want to read my post again Kyle *wink*